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perendev's magnetic motorMany have tried building a free energy-producing magnetic motor. I am seeing a lot  in my daily quest through alternative energy news, but what I have learned is that energy is not free, perpetual motion machines do not exist, everything is taken from somewhere and put elsewhere.

Free energy from magnets respects the same rule.

There also is this so-called “free energy”, the zero-point energy, proven mathematically by many scientists. My duty as a green optimistic is to collect everything I see someone has struggled explaining and demonstrating, put it in one place and let the people see and comment. Such is the example of this magnetic motor.

But there are also “green pessimistic” websites. When they see something out of “common sense” boundaries, they freak out and scream something like”omg, this can’t be real! I need no proof! I must not think of this! Perish, Satan!”

I took such an article today as an inspiration because it talks about a magnetic motor, one of my favorite free energy topics, about which I haven’t heard much lately.

Here is the whole process of transforming the free magnetic energy into mechanical energy, explained by the invention’s author (Sandeep Acharya):

“Think of Two Powerful Magnets. One fixed plate over rotating disk with North side parallel to disk surface, and other on the rotating plate connected to small gear G1. If the magnet over gear G1’s north side is parallel to that of which is over Rotating disk then they both will repel each other. Now the magnet over the left disk will try to rotate the disk below in (think) clock-wise direction.

Now there is another magnet at 30 angular distance on Rotating Disk on both side of the magnet M1. Now the large gear G0 is connected directly to Rotating disk with a rod. So after repulsion if Rotating-Disk rotates it will rotate the gear G0 which is connected to gear G1. So the magnet over G1 rotate in the direction perpendicular to that of fixed-disk surface.

Now the angle and teeth ratio of G0 and G1 is such that when the magnet M1 moves 30 degree, the other magnet which came in the position where M1 was, it will be repelled by the magnet of Fixed-disk as the magnet on Fixed-disk has moved 360 degrees on the plate above gear G1. So if the first repulsion of Magnets M1 and M0 is powerful enough to make rotating-disk rotate 30-degrees or more the disk would rotate till error occurs in position of disk, friction loss or magnetic energy loss.

The space between two disk is just more than the width of magnets M0 and M1 and space needed for connecting gear G0 to rotating disk with a rod. Now I’ve not tested with actual objects. When designing you may think of losses or may think that when rotating disk rotates 30 degrees and magnet M0 will be rotating clock-wise on the plate over G2 then it may start to repel M1 after it has rotated about 25 degrees, the solution is to use more powerful magnets.

If all the objects are made precisely with measurements given and the rectangular cubic magnets are powerful enough to rotate more then 30 degrees in first repulsion then the system will work.

Here friction and other losses are neglected as magnets are much more powerful. But think of friction between rotating disk and Shaft, it can be neglected by using magnetic joint between them.

On the left primary measurements of needed objects are given. If you find any reason of not running this mechanism let me know.”

It seems to me that this is basically the Perendev motor presented in the same-named category of our blog. Perendev was charged of scamming some people and even served for a while. Still, maybe someday someone will be able to produce free energy by using magnet motors.

What do you think? Could it work?

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  1. I read your article and got some good idea about build an energy magnetic motor. I think its the best tutorial for building a magnetic motor without cost. Thanks for your valuable tutorial.

  2. 11 year old post but it never ages. Those serious about learning the real science behind some of the actual free energy devices, not the frauds found on YouTube, should watch “Free Energy Device Build and Science”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15V0gUXUPko by a real professional electrician, especially the second half where he digs into further details.

    • I think that this “professional electrician” is so stuck to solidly frozen science alphabet, I myself downloaded a very rear experiment that shows a practical, live, and scientific-based magnetic motor that works very powerfully, but when I wanted to watch the same channel again I have found that it was deleted, hence we KNOW that there are few gangsters are playing unfair. Anyone wants me to send him that video, just whistle, lol.

    Really good and realistic topics are being discussed here sic!.
    As my own experiments tend towards your earlier conclusions but i must stress the following.
    1.Keep rotor weight light and that is a must.
    2.Use only the exact amount of magnets you need as w too many magnets the rotor wont run right.
    3.Friction is the main killer of magnet motors as too much weight means the magnet impulse will not spin the rotor and the back drag and emf wave will kill both the current and rotation sic.
    4. Balance and the bearing in the rotors is also a critical factor function.
    5. Your field magnets must be angled carefully and 45% is a good place to start, as if they do like the YouTube guys and place the field magnet directly across from the rotor magnet it will fail as the heavy drag of ‘back pull’ will kill the rotation, As for me 3 magnets with one on the bottom to give a constant down pull works best tho by keeping rotor weight light and use a down pull I admit I’m cheating a bit as I am also using gravety down pull to help overcome the weight of the magnets on the upward pull etc.
    Forget the YouTube ideals of hooking a drive belt to the rotor as that will never work?????
    My experiments seem the indicate that the Magnet Motor seems to work best as an energy harvester where you can position coils both hollow and bifilar to grab electric energy from the magnets as they spin by.
    My rotor of 3.5 in or the diameter of a common c.d. seem to work best with one or 2 downward pulling magnets and 3 machine nuts on the rotor to pick up extra energy, Naturally bigger rotors will require more balance and likely more magnets but remember lightness and balance and the angle of the draw magnet are critical regardless of what size rotor or wheel you use.

    Someday I’d like to try an 26 in bicycle wheel w a large neodymium magnet on the bottom as a draw and 2 or 3 large metal bolts with mini coils as a draw but a friction less bearing on a wheel of that size is gonna be a bear, still the smaller motors show me a large wheel is possible but the design will take some doing.

    I am not doing much w magnets now as i am working on a Kapahanize Coil to draw electric from the atmosphere to help some guys build a ‘Electronic Car’ that can run from ‘Atmosperic Electricity’ and without a battery too!.

    My Last Words are you guys keep trying with Magnet Motors as my small ones show they are possible, And Tom Beardon built one back in the 80s tho he admitted he could never get the motor to spin fast , Plus some Japanese guys also built one awhile back as i saw their Video, But they were having trouble with the Magnets overheating and loosing energy!.

    But please keep trying as sooner or later ‘somebody’ has to come up with something that works!.

  4. Yes you can build a Free Energy Generator with the Plans what i have buy.

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  6. Free energy only acour when u use les than 99% of energy generated to generate the same energy creating contenios cercle evect .

  7. Magnetic motors are technically not “free energy generators,” you get kinetic energy in exchange of “magnetic force,” as the magnetic field will get weaker in heat and vibration over time.

  8. You all have the wrong idea of a PM drive. Too limited like the Zero point itself. a Permanent magnetic motor need much more than 360 degrees in its circle or cycle, and thats where you all get zeroed because in your minds there is only 360 degree in one revolution. You can build a PM only in a ring, You all know a Permanent magnet motor must run, because there is energy to harvest. But where you all fail is that you can not understand that you can get more than 360 degrees in one revolution because thats where theyve limited your thinking in “education”. Now you all wonder together on this site if its possible or not

  9. Your design is so close, I would love to discuss a different design, you have the right material for fabrication, and also seem to have access to a machine shop. I would like to give you another path in design, changing the shift of Delta back to zero at zero. Add 360 phases at zero phase, giving a magnetic state of plus in all 360 phases at once, at each degree of rotation. To give you a hint in design, look at the first generation supercharger, take a rotor, reverse the mold, create a cast for your polymer, place the mold magnets at 63 degree on the rotor tips, allow the natural compression to allow for the use in a natural compression system, original design is an air compressor, heat exchanger to allow for gas cooling system.
    [email protected]

    • yes although you need to point out that the magnets aren’t exactly perpendicular and that both rotor and stator magnets are at angles in repulsion. That way repulsion sends the rotor to the next alignment of magnets in what seems like an unlimited fashion!

    • In what way do they get depleted? The only way I can think of is having the field flux wear down the fields by striping magnitude off but even then magnets usually just add to the field rather than deplete it

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  11. Ok to clear this up, magnets lose their magnetism over long periods of time. Even they only have a limited amount of energy, so while this may work for a while, it will eventually slow down and stop.

    • unless you re- charge the magnets before that time so really if the timings done right it could keep power generated from its own power built up from rotation and generated energy via say dynamos that in turn every so often re charges the magnets just saying nothings impossible if its looked at in a different way

      • Hey Lucy , I am also a out of the box thinker , I wanted to say I read your comment and applied it to a few equations, and I think you are on to something how ever may need some fine running.
        I am here in McDonald’s at 3.11 a.m and I have a real deep inner belief in FATE or whatever people call it now in time.
        I am here in Ontario . Now starting to show, trying to introduce self reliant heating systems . And I am a great great fan of Nikola Tesla. Anyways hope this reaches you.

    • yes if you understand the atomic structure when everything is made up of molecules that are formed from perpetual energy atoms of different categories than everything that exists anywhere and everywhere is perpetual electricity which drive that electron at the speed of light around the proton. If you remove that electron off the proton then you only would have weight mass that has no consistency like the black holes in outer space just gravitational force. So there, every thing is perpetual electric energy

  12. dear all
    Good afternoon
    did any ony try ( Perendev Motor, a Free Magnetic Energy Generator )
    does real
    i have built the same but it freeze
    i need diagram if is it possible also i need high speed and torq too

  13. Free energy motors are fun once you get a good one work8ng, however no one has gotten rich off of selling them. I’m a poor expert on free energy. Yup that’s right poor. I have designed 8 motors of all kinds. I’ve been doing this for 30 years and still no pay offs. Just many threats and hacks into my pc and a few break in s in my homes. It’s all true. Big brother won’t stop keeping us down. I’ve made millions if volt free energy systems. Took a long time to figure out.

  14. Well obviously there is no “free energy” anywhere. The magnetic poles that hold the earth together aren’t free either. The earth, along with the sun, are burning a bucket load of energy that, over time, will run out.

    But that’s not to say we can’t get a LOT closer to free energy in the form of much more EFFICIENT energy to where it looks like it’s almost free. Take LED technology as a prime example. The amount of energy required to make the same amount of light has been reduced so dramatically that a now mass-produced gravity light is being sold on Amazon (and yeah, it works). The “cost” is that someone has to lift rocks or something every 20 minutes.

    Just like old clocks pre-electric.

    It seems to me that we could do something LIKE this with magnets, and potentially get a lot more efficient than maybe the gears of today. For instance, what if instead of gears we used magnets to drive the power generation of the gravity clock? A few more gears and/or smart magnets and potentially, you could decrease the weight by a LOT, and increase the time the light would run 10 fold. Now you have a “gravity” light that a child can run all night long without any need for a power source using the same theoretical logic as is proposed here.

    Pretty close to free, but not quite. Close enough for me to live with anyway.

    Oh, and take a look at the smart magnets that are being built now. Hmmmm… Maybe a good design of these could make this so-called perpetual motion much more close to pure efficiency so that, with just a bit of a nudge now and again, it could ACT perpetual???

    It’s all in the science, and in people being willing to think outside the box!

  15. Free energy? Ridiculous. “Conservation of Energy” is one of the most fundamental laws of physics. Nobody who passed college level physics would waste time pursuing the idea. I saw a comment that everyone should “want” this to be true, and talking about raining on the parade of the idea, but after 200 years of trying the closest to “free energy” we’ve gotten is nuclear reactors.

    Have fun trying, maybe you’ll have the pleasure of rediscovering the laws of physics for yourself!

  16. Hi all,

    Everything I read up till now ignores the latest scientific thoughts that energy can be obtained from adjacent universes. New ball game guys!

  17. A magnet is not stored energy waiting to be unlocked. They require action to get any reaction. But let’s say a magnetic motor could work. It would take all of it’s resources just to move. Where is the extra power for you to use? Nothing is free and there is no alternative to work.

  18. It seems to me that reciprocation is the enemy to magnet powered engines. Remember the old Mazda Wankel advertisements? No “boing, boing” … What I am finding is that the abrupt stopping and restarting requires more energy than the magnets can provide. They cannot overcome this. So what I have been trying to do is to use a circular, non-stop motion to accomplish the attraction/repulsion… whadda ya think?

  19. If anyone wants to know how to make one, contact me. It’s not free energy to make a permanent magnet motor, without a power source. The magnets only have to be arranged at an imbalanced state. They will always try to seek equilibrium, but won’t be able to. The magnets don’t produce the energy, they only direct it. Think, repeating decimal….. I have the blueprints. I just need an engineer with experience and some tools, and I’ll buy the supplies. [email protected]

    • Most Truthful Comment, Magnetic motor must be in inequilibrium, so that when magnet try to find equilibrium it keeps rotating to find equilibrium and that will not happen at certain point when we reach that Zero Point.
      No Laws has to be broken, we are just trying to transfer Magnetic Energy into Angular Motion or Linear Motion.

  20. even if big companies have discovered free energy exist then there would be a series problems.
    1. a lot people would be out of a jobs.
    2. Currency would fluctuate because we don’t have much use for petroleum which gives a country power.
    3. Manufacturing cost would go down.
    4. Cost of food would drop
    5. Cost for internet would drop
    6. Your electricity bill would drop tremendiously

  21. have you tested the theories and hypothesis of free energy. Do you have valid evidences that free energy doesn’t exist unless you haven’t tested any of these for yourself then you have doubts about free energy, you aren’t sure of what you are saying because you have no evidence to prove that free energy doesn’t exist

  22. i honestly do believe that magnetic motor generator do exist, phyics may explain many things but there are somethings thar defly those laws,and we do not understand it either, tesla was a genius and inspired,he did not get the credit he deserved, many of his inventions are at work today,induction coils,ac, and edison was a idiot for not working with him, all he did was invent a light bulb. there are many things out there that we have not discovered yet nor understand yet

  23. It is possible to conduct the impossible by way of using a two wheel rotating in different directions with aid of spring rocker arm inter locking gear to matching rocker push and pull force against the wheels with the rocker arms set @ the 12, 3, 6, and 9 o’clock positions for same timing. No further information allowed that this point. It will cause a hell lot of more loss jobs if its brought out. So its best leaving it shelved until the right time.

  24. when two discs are facing each other (both on the same shaft) One stationery & the other able to rotate, both embedded with permanent magnets and the rotational disc starts to rotate as the 2 discs are moved closer together (and a magnetic field is present), will a almost perpetual rotation be created or (1) will the magnets loose their magnetism over time (2) get in a position where they lock or (3) to much heat generated between the 2 discs or (4) the friction cause loss of rotation or (4) keep on accelerating and rip apart.
    What is the opinions?

  25. We can have powerful magnets producing energy easily. We need to stop listening to articles that say what we can’t have. Life is to powerful and abundant and running without our help. We have the resources and creative thinking to match life with our thoughts. a lot of articles and videos across the Internet sicken me and mislead people. The inventors need to stand out more in the corners of earth. The intelligent thinking is here and freely given power is here. We are just connecting the dots.

  26. One trick to making a magnetic motor work is combining the magnetic force you get when polarities of equal sides are in close proximity to each other, with the pull of simple gravity. Heavy magnets rotating around a coil of metal with properly placed magnets above them to provide push, gravity then provides the pull and the excess energy needed to make it function. The design would be close to that of the Howard Johnson motor but the mechanics must be much lighter in weight so that the weight of the magnets actually has use.

    There is another way to make it work while the generator is horizontal but requires more moving parts and different sized magnets aligned from biggest to smallest and an apposing magnet that provides the push to move back and forth at the correct time.

  27. If any of you have truly invented a perpetual motion machine that can do useful work, please let the news media know about it. I can well imagine that most news outlets would love to carry a story on this. So, come on, if you’ve done this, prove it.

  28. We made it, yes today’s the day. We finally made it, we’ll be placing it in a car. We’ve applied for a patent too, will be publishing under Dinclix GroundWorks company.

    • Just wanted to get an update on the project EMF motor ypu invented which you placed in a car. Im very interested in your project.

  29. A lot of people could do well to ignore all the rules of physics sometimes. Rules are there to be broken and all the rules have done is stunt technology advances. Education keeps people dumbed down in an era where energy is big money and anything seen as free is a threat. Open your eyes to the real possibilities. Tesla was a genius in his day and nearly 100 years later we are going backwards. One thing is for sure, magnets are fantastic objects. It’s not free energy as eventually even the best will demagnetise but it’s close enough for me. I am currently designing my own magnet motor.

  30. In therory it works but why only allow the magnets to do the work on their own. Take the energy created by the rotation/stored energy and harness it into a electomagnet and increase the output. You would yield more usabale power than needed to operate the unit.
    One would only need to manually start it and it would run on it’s own afterward.
    I’d call that success!

  31. hii…. everyone i am dying to know that if a free magnetic energy exist if you have succeeded to some extent please guide me how to make that happen….. as you said you are very close to it. you can rotate a wheel perpetually.

  32. I’ve been watching with great interest this concept and idea. I think a lot of people get caught up on the words used here and take each one literally. “Free Energy” “Perpetual Motion” I see this as neither but more so a potentially cheaper alternative to high price electricity providers.

    I like to think that something like this is possible as our species has achieved many things others thought impossible and how many times has science changed the thinking almost on a daily basis due to new discoveries. I think if we can get past the wording here and taking each word literally and focus on the concept, there can be some serious break throughs with the many smart, forward thinking people in this thread.

    Never stop trying people. Who is to say that the Egyptians never had electricity of some sort?

  33. Let’s just say someone did invent a working free energy or so called engine. How do you guys suppose a person sell such a device so billions and billions of dollars without it getting stolen first? Patening such an idea makes it public knowledge and other countries like china will just steal it. Such a device effects the whole world. How does a person protect himself from big corporations and big countries assassinating him? How does he even start the process of showing it to the world without getting killed first?

  34. I’m working on a magnet wheel generator. I’m very close. Almost got it spinning forever… Still have more magnets in the mail to help me with the cogging.

  35. repulsive fields were dreamed up by Tesla in his AC induction motor invention. Look in your car engine and you will see one. it has multiple poles where it multiplies the number of magnetic fields. sure energy changes form, but also you don’t get something for nothing. most commonly known as the 3 phase induction motor there are copper losses, stator winding losses, friction and eddy current losses. the claim of a 6 times wattage increase in the ‘free energy’ invention simply does not hold water. Automatic and feedback control concepts such as PID developed in the 1940’s or so are applied to electric,mechanical and electro-magnetic (EMF) systems. For EMF, the rate of rotation and other parameters are controlled using PID and variants thereof by sampling a small piece of the output, then feeding it back and comparing it with the input to create an ‘error voltage’. this voltage is then multiplied. you end up with a characteristic response in the form of a transfer function. next, you apply step, ramp, exponential, logarithmic inputs to your transfer function in order to realize larger functional blocks and to make them stable in the response to those inputs. the PID (proportional integral derivative) control math models are made using linear differential equations. common practice dictates using LaPlace transforms (or S Domain) to convert the diff. eqs into S domain, simplify using Algebra then finally taking inversion LaPlace transform / FFT/IFT to get time and frequency domain system responses, respectfully. Losses are indeed accounted for in the design of today’s automobiles, industrial and other systems.

    let’s look at the B field of the earth and recall how any magnet works; if you pass a current through a wire it generates a magnetic field around that wire. conversely, if you move that wire through a magnetic field normal(or at right angles) to that field it creates flux cutting current in the wire. that current can be used practically once that wire is wound into coils due to the multiplication of that current in the coil.

    further, i am an FCC licensed amateur radio operator who has experimented with antennas since the mid 1980’s. you don’t know what is and what is not possible until you experiment with it.

    today, i work with wireless as part of my job with HP in WIFI automation test system development.

    if there is any truth to energy in the Ether and whether there is any truth as to George Westinghouse upon being presented by Tesla his ideas to approach all high areas of learning in the world, and change how electricity is taught i don’t know(because if real, free energy to the world would break the bank if individuals had the ability to obtain energy on demand). i have not studied this area. i welcome others who have to contribute to the discussion. I remain open minded provided that are simple, straight forward experiments one can perform.

    my two cents(or my two dollars) same thing


  36. I have some questions and I know that there are some “geniuses” here who can answer all of them, but to start with: If a magnetic motor is possible, and I believe it is, and if they can overcome their own friction, what keeps them from accelerating to the point where they disintegrate, like a jet turbine running past its point of stability? How can a magnet pass a coil of wire at the speed of a human hand and cause electrons to accelerate to near the speed of light? If there is energy stored in uranium, is there not energy stored in a magnet? Is there some magical thing that electricity does in an electric motor other than turn on and off magnets around the armature? (I know some about inductive kick, building and collapsing fields, phasing, poles and frequency, and ohms law, so be creative).

    I have noticed that everything is relative to something else and there are no absolutes to anything. Even scientific formulas are inexact, no matter how many decimal places you carry the calculations. Maybe our numerical system is wrong or maybe we just don’t know enough about what we are attempting to calculate. Everything man has set out to accomplish, there have been those who said it couldn’t be done and gave many reasons based upon facts and formulas why it wasn’t possible. Needless to say, none of the ‘nay sayers’ accomplished any of them.
    How long is perpetuity? Is that not a relative term as well? If something stops ten minutes after you die was it not perpetual to you? You may be able to think of a time ten thousand years in the future, but if you aren’t there, what does it matter.

    I am trying this thing myself according to my own ideas and others and I will learn a lot in the process, either way.

  37. It could work the main problem is when you try to add a generator to the shaft the magnet wheel will slow down and stop.

  38. If a machine can produce more energy than it takes to operate it, then the theory will work. With magnets there is a point where North and South meet and that requires force to get by. Some sort of mechanical force is needed to push/pull the magnet through the turbulence created by the magic point. Inertia would seem to be the best force to use but building the inertia becomes problematic unless you can store a little bit of energy in a capacitor and release it at exactly the correct time as the magic point crosses over with an electromagnet.
    I am experimenting with this type of machine right now and not having a lot of luck doing it.
    It has also occurred to me that most of the inventors on the internet are not very successful for if they were they would be closely guarding their secret while reaping in the benefits of their creations.
    Win or lose, it matters not,the fun is in the education and the adventure.

  39. What if we take the idea that the magnetic motor is not a perpetual motion machine, but is an energy storage device. Let us speculate that we can build a unit that is 80% efficient. Now let us say I want to power my house for ten years that takes 100,000 Kwhrs at $0.1048 /Kwhr . So it takes 125,000 Kwhrs to make this machine. If we do this in a place that produces electricity at $0.03 per Kwhr, we save money. The machine can then be returned and “recharged”. Another thought is short term storage of solar power. It would be way more efficient than battery storage.

  40. The solution is to provide a magnetic power source that produces current through a wire, so that all motors and electrical devices will run free of charge on this new energy source. If the magnetic power source produces current without connected batteries and without an A/C power source and no work is provided by a human, except to start the flow of current with one finger, then we have a true magnetic power source. I think that I have the solution and will begin building the prototype. My first prototype will fit into a 3-inch cube size box, weighing less than 1 pound, will have two wires coming from it, and I will test the output.

  41. Many things in the past seemed impossible, like transmitting your voice thousands of miles through the air. People said it was impossible. Now we have radio communications. I believe there

    are things about the universe that we don’t understand yet and anything is possible. If you believe something is possible, don’t give up because others don’t believe it possible.

  42. Hi guys, for a start, you people are much better placed in the academic department than I am, however, I must ask, was Einstein correct, with his theory,’ matter, can neither, be created, nor destroyed” if he is correct then the idea of a perpetual motor, costing nothing, cannot exist.Those arguing about this motor’s capability of working, should rephrase their argument, to one which says “relatively speaking, allowing for small, maybe, at present, immeasurable, losses” but, to all intents and purposes, this could work, in a perpetual manner.I have a similar idea, but,by trying to either embed the strategically placed magnets, in such a way, as to be producing 50, or, 60 Hertz, this being the usual method of building electrical, electronic and visual electronics.This would be done, either on the sides of the discs, one being fixed, maybe a third disc, of either, mica, or metallic infused perspex, this would spin as well as the outer disc, fitted with the driving shaft and splined hub.Could anybody, build this? Another alternative, could be a smaller internal disk, strategically adorned with materials similar to existing armature field wound motors but in the outside, disc’s inner area, soft iron, or copper/ mica insulated sections, magnets would shade the fields as the inner disc and shaft spins. Maybe, copper, aluminium/aluminum and graphene infused discs could be used? Please pull this apart, nay say it, or try to build it?Lets use a slave to start it spinning, initially!!

    • In some areas Eienstien was correct and in others he was wrong. His Theory of Special Realitivity used concepts taken from Lorentz. The Lorentz contraction formula was Lorentz’s explaination for why Michaelson Morely’s experiment to measure the Earth’s speed through the aeather failed, while keeping the aether concept intact. Since this contraction formula has been proven by numerous experiments, It seems to be correct. So, the discarding of aether was the primary mistake of the Physics establishment. Empty space is not empty. It has physical properties, an Impedance, a constant of electrical permittivy, and a constant of magnetic permability. Truely empty space would have no such properties! The Aether is seathing with energy. Some Physicists like Misner,Thorne, and Wheeler in their book “Gravitation” calculate that a cubic centimeter of space has about ten to the 94th power grams of energy. Using the formula E=mc^2 that comes to a tremendous amount of energy. If only a exceedingly small portion of this “Zero Point Energy” could be tapped – it would amount to a lot! Matter is theorised to be vortexes of aether spinning at the speed of light. that is why electron positron pair production can occurr in empty space if a sufficiently electric field is imposed on that space. It that respect matter can be created.
      Many researchers feel that magnetism is one way to tap this Zero Point Energy. Many free energy machines use this concept. Joeseph Newman’ patented Energy machine, which I have examined and verified that it creates more energy than it uses, works using magnetism.

  43. The comments on articles like this prove one simple thing: most people don’t have the first clue what they are talking about and are not able to properly think things through. One simple formula proves what you are all talking about is NOT possible: E = MC^2

    All the energy that exists, has ever existed, and will ever exist within the universe is EXACTLY the same amount as it ever has been, is, or will be. You can’t create more energy. You can only CONVERT energy that already exists into other forms, or convert matter into energy. And there is ALWAYS loss. Always. There is no way around this simple truth of the universe, sorry.

    • There. You said what you needed to say. Now you can stop being a dick on everyone’s threads. Go away and let us have an adult discussion.

    • There is a serious problem with your argument. “Grant me one miracle and we will explain the rest.” Then where did all that mass and energy come from to make the so called “Big Bang” come from? Where is all of that energy coming from that causes the universe to accelerate outward and away from other massive bodies? Therein lies the real magic doesn’t it? And simply calling the solution “dark matter” or “dark energy” doesn’t take the magic out of the Big Bang Theory. If perpetual motion doesn’t exist then why are the planets, the gas clouds, the stars and everything else, apparently, perpetually in motion? What was called religion yesterday is called science today. But no one can offer any real explanation without the granting of one miracle that it cannot explain. Chink, chink goes the armor.

      • The fatal flaw in your comment is your assumption that all the energy and matter (which is just energy, actually) was created at some point. Current information shows that the sum total of all the energy in the universe is zero. Everything you think of as existing…is nothing.

        //Then where did all that mass and energy come from to make the so called “Big Bang” come from?//

        Don’t know, but it’s not relevant to the discussion here. We aren’t living in a singularity before time and the laws of physics we know today.

        // Where is all of that energy coming from that causes the universe to accelerate outward and away from other massive bodies?//

        You, like many here, confuse energy and force.

        //Therein lies the real magic doesn’t it? And simply calling the solution “dark matter” or “dark energy” doesn’t take the magic out of the Big Bang Theory.//

        There is no magic involved. You just want there to be to support your desire for fantastical things to be real.

        // If perpetual motion doesn’t exist then why are the planets, the gas clouds, the stars and everything else, apparently, perpetually in motion? //

        They aren’t perpetually in motion. The planets are slowly getting closer to the Sun and eventually won’t exist. Energy is being lost slowly over time.

        //What was called religion yesterday is called science today. //

        LOL no it isn’t. You’ve moved into the territory of meaningless platitudes.

        //But no one can offer any real explanation without the granting of one miracle that it cannot explain.//

        Nothing miraculous about it. You just want there to be, to support your ideas.

        // Chink, chink goes the armor.//

        No, not really. Frankly you are simply another person here who lacks an education in science and is therefore easy prey for snake oil (and perpetual motion machine) salesmen.

        The real chinks are in the idea that perpetual motion machines are possible and can be used to generate unlimited free energy.

        You asked about the planets as if they are such machines. But they aren’t. Do they spin and orbit for a very long time? Yes. Forever? No. But let’s assume for the sake of argument that you could set a celestial object in motion and keep it from ever contacting another object so that it moves forever. (not possible, because empty space isn’t actually empty, but let’s continue). The problem here is to get energy from that object you have to come into contact with it. This simple contradiction dispels your idea. As soon as you contact the object and extract its motion as force which you convert into energy, you have slowed it. The longer you continue the more it slows until it is no longer moving. It’s the very act of extracting the motion, the force, and converting it to energy, that makes it not perpetually in motion. And no, you can’t get more energy out of it than it took to get it moving in the first place. Because this is how the universe works, and it’s a proven fact. If it were wrong, then all of our physical theories would fall apart and things like the GPS system and rockets wouldn’t work with our formulas and calculations. But they DO work, thus validating the laws of physics.

        • Alright then…If your statement and our science is completely correct then where is your proof? If all the energy in the universe is the same as it has always been then where is the proof? Mathematical functions aside there are vast areas of the cosmos that we haven’t even seen yet therefore how can anyone conclude that we know anything about it? We haven’t even been beyond our solar system but you think that we can ascertain what happens with the laws of physics is a galaxy away? Where’s the proof?

          “Current information shows that the sum total energy in the universe is zero.” Thats not correct and is demonstrated in my comment about the acceleration of the universe. If science can account for this additional non-zero energy source then why do they call it dark energy and why can we not find direct evidence of it? There is much that our current religion cannot account for.

          Why isn’t this scientific theory of the Big Bang relevant? What makes it so in your mind because the source of energy and how it is produced or extracted is precisely the argument here. So saying that it doesn’t matter is no argument.

          So what if force and energy are “confused.” It takes energy to produce a force. Whether or not the equations you are familiar with account for it or not. Energy must exist to cause a force in any direction. PE = m x g x h, the force of gravity being relavant here for instance.

          “There is no magic involved. You just want there to be to support your desire for fantastical things to be real.”

          Um, lacking a feasible explanation or even tangible evidence for this thing our science calls the Big Bang puts it into the realm of magic. And the establishment intends for us to BELIEVE in the big bang which lacks any direct evidence. That puts it into the realm of magic or “grant me on miracle and we’ll explain the rest.” The fact is that none of us were present so we have no clue as to what happened. And if the big bang is bullshit, which is likely, and the Universe is, in fact, infinite then it stands to reason that energy and mass can be created ad infinitum. Just because we don’t know the rules or methods of construction or destruction doesn’t mean that it is not possible. It just means that we haven’t figured it out yet.

          You frequently attack my arguments as wishful thinking but don’t offer any decent argument against. You just simply say that I want there to be such and such to support my ideas. Very effective argumentation.

          As for perpetual motion, if you can show me a heavenly body that is absolutely stationary then you win. But that has never once been observed. Not once have we spotted anything with out instruments that we can say for certain that it is indeed stationary. So perpetual motion is not only real but it is inescapable. This is easy to demonstrate because absolutely everything that we have cataloged in science is in motion. Nothing in the universe is stationary. So the real question is why do people think that perpetual motion is impossible considering that we have never observed anything that is contrary to motion. Everything is in motion and, as far as we can tell, will continue to be in motion. Sure Newton’s laws are applicable here and the cause and effect of those motions are also worthy of investigation. Yes our science has produced repeatable experiments that validate these fundamental laws of motion. But these laws are relative to the frame of reference. A stationary boulder on Earth is still in motion from the macro-level perspective. But then how can anything be stationary in a continually expanding cosmos? Where is that energy the produces the force? Where does it come from? How can anyone make the absurd claim that the energy in the universe is constant and yet be unable to account for the acceleration of the universe’s expansion. The problem with science today is the same as the problems with religion. We want to believe that we have a firm grasp on things so we accept our scientific conclusions until experimental results force us to modify those explanations. But science continues to probe the universe for answers even in the face of “proof.” That is science. Always probing for a better, more complete explanation of what works and what doesn’t. But to make claims about knowing the universe, its energy, its mass and so on is hubris and any scientist acknowledges the real possibility that our science could be proven wrong at any given point.

      • As i was say perpetual motion as we ubderstand it is not perpetual. The stars and planet will go on in there motion for billions of years but will tgen stop that energy will change and start new motions creating new stars and systems for adding other ones. Our lives are but insignificant in the big picture of our universe.
        As for my thought on its origins i would like to say it was a friction of dimensional space. If you would like a more in depth version of my thoughts on this matter i plan on writing about over the coming months and love a hood conversation.

    • There are different types of energy and I highly doubt that all that ever was, is or will be and remain equal.
      By creating energy one has increased the amount there currently is.
      As mankind progresses we will find new ways to create or use the forces of “energy” whether it is dark matter, black holes, gravity, solar winds, ocean tides, wind, solar, thermal, fossil fuel or magnetic.

      We are mankind and look at what we have accomplished so far.

    • There IS always loss in all designs thus far that does not mean a machine cant be built that captures all forms of normal energy loss in the future as you said you canot create energy only convert it. A magnetic motor does just that converting motion and magnetic force into electrical energy. Ive been working on a prototype for years that would run in a vacune and utilize magnetic bearings cutting out all possible friction. Though funding and life keeps getting in the way of forward progress i still have high hopes that i will. Create a working prototype that doesnt rip itself apart.
      And yes it will not be perpetual but it should last about 400 years before dieing if my calculation have been right at which time i hope we will have many better resources.

        • You are really an a**. I went through 3.5 years of pre-Vet. I went to one of the top HS. In America ( Culver Military ) and have what most would consider a strong education in Science, Mathmatics and anatomy, however I can’t and never could spell well. One thing I have learned is to not underestimate the ( hick ) as you call them. You know the type. They speak slow with a drawl. Wear jeans with tears in them. Maybe a piece of hay sticking out of their mouths. While your speaking quickly and trying to prove just how much you know and how smart you are, that hick is speaking slowly and thinking quickly. He is already 3 moves ahead of you because he listens, speaks factually and will flees you out of every dollar you have if the hick has the mind to. My old neighbor wore green work pants pulled up over his work boots like a flood was coming and sported a wife beater t shirt. He had 800 acres in a area where property goes for $150,000 an acre. Oh, and that old hick also owned the Detroit Red Wings and has a hockey trophy named after him.
          So go talk in a mirror where you can smile because the only person that cares about what your saying is looking back at you.

    • E = mc^2 has nothing to do with your premise. It no more means vis and mass interconvert than V = abc mean volume and width interconvert. Rather they are proportionate.

      The stupid old motor proposal in this story notwithstanding, the big bang circumvents the first law by a trick in arithmètic. I’ll copypaste my YouTube comment that compactly disproves all four laws:

      Ye’re all retards. Fowler’s law is overridden by Pauli’s law, where in general there must be gaps in heat transfer spectra and broken sýmmetry between the absorption and emission spectra within the same medium and between disparate media, and Malus’s law, where anisotropic media like polarizers selectively interact with radiation. Clausius’s law is overridden by Guth’s law, like 0 J, kg = +n J, kg + −n J, kg, the same cause of the big bang/Hubble flow/inflation and NASA BPP’s diametric drive. There mass and vis are created and destroyed at the same time. The Einstein field equation dictates that a near-flat univers has similar amounts of positive and negative matter; therefore a set of conjugate masses accelerates indefinitely in runaway motion and scales celerity arbitrarily. Kelvin’s law is overridden by Poincaré’s law, where the microstates at finite temperature are finite so must recur in finite time, or exhibit ergodicity; therefore the finite information and transitions impose a nonMaxwellian population always in nonequilibrium, like in condensed matter’s geometric frustration (“spin ice”), topological conduction (“persistent current” and graphene superconductivity), and in Graeff’s first gravity machine (“Loschmidt’s paradox” and Loschmidt’s refutation of Maxwell’s equilibrium in the lapse rate). Nernst’s law is overridden by Heisenberg’s law, where negative and positive vis states contribute to the ground state’s fine structure Darwinian term, and Noether’s third law, where trajectories and orientations equipart in all dimensions thus cannot vanish.

    • Hi Paulin. I am myself a physicist, and I have also learned the same concepts standard formulas transmit. However, 2 points are relevant. 1. The equations on physics and the concepts one can extract from them are aimed to describe how the universe works and are dependent on empirical evidence, not the other way around. Thinking that equations and the concepts behind dogmatically rule empirical phenomena is falling into pre-illustrative times. 2. Particle and quantum physics have actually gotten results that break classical thermodynamics law of conservation of energy. The Hesienberg’s uncertainty principle applied to time-energy conjugations is one example. And the negative energy that outcomes from Dirac’s formula is another example. Bottom line… I think it is important to be as less dogmatic as possible and follow the steps that Francis Bacon started for how science should developed itself.

  44. My Name is Don**** S***r and i have made a Magnetic motor. The solution to infinite energy is explained in the bible. But i will not reveal it since it could change our civilization forever. Transportation and space travel all together. My company will reveal it to thw public when its ready. My only hint to you is the basic element that was missing. Its what we experience in a everyday matter.
    Its possible.

    S***r Industries

    • Hy Donovan,
      Me too replicated a COP device gathering cold current from ahether by following Zilano experiences and removing what’was wrong (wanted?) in original designs.
      Our prototype is going to be consolidated so that we want to recover partnership also overseas. Are You interested?
      A welcome

  45. hello all. free elec is possible.! reason i know. i have built such.i offer anyone to a challenge .you put your money where your mouth is.! i am sick and tired of you people with a closed and misled mind. i am a semi-retired Physicist who has worked for black op projects. you contact me and lets set it up. [email protected]

  46. Why isn’t somebody thinking about drawing energy from the magnetic vortex field instead of repulsion alone? Thoughts?

      • It takes energy to create work. An object in motion is displaying work. Hold one magnet down and put another next to it with like poles. The 2nd moves. That is work. It is done entirely by magnetic field interaction.

        Guess that shoots your “magnetism isn’t energy” to bits, now doesn’t it?

        • No, it doesn’t. You don’t understand what these words mean. It doesn’t take energy to do work. it takes force to do work. F=MA

          Magnetism isn’t energy, it is a force. Gravity can do work. is gravity energy? Nope.

          • The “F” in the formula is FORCE so here is a kick in the pants for you. “The force that a magnet exerts on certain materials, including other magnets, is called magnetic force. The force is exerted over a distance and includes forces of attraction and repulsion. North and south poles of two magnets attract each other, while two north poles or two south poles repel each other.” What say to that?

  47. perpetual motion machines, … the same senseless talk over and over again.
    Do you know what this means really?

    Getting more energy out of it as putting in, right !?!

    so every solar panel is a perpetual motion machines !!
    every windgenerator is a perpetual motion machines !!
    every atomic plant is a perpetual motion machines !!

    think about it, we harvest more than we put it.

    Who cares what energy it took to create uranium, we can harvest its power !!

    Who cares who alligned the particals in the metal to have a magnet, we can harvest it !!

    Do you know why this knowledge about magnetic engines is so rare and noone who achived it talks about it?

    because they built a perpetual motion machines !! And you guys just don’t get it.

    btw, the hoover-damm-generator must be a perpetual motion machines also !!
    we’re taking more out than we put in !!

    • No, you don’t get more out of it than you put in. You are forgetting that all you are doing is harvesting energy from somewhere else: the Sun. You cannot create energy. Impossible. All you can do is convert energy. Solar panels convert energy from the Sun into electricity. Every second of every day, the Sun slowly is running out of fuel. And solar panels are extremely inefficient. They only CONVERT a small percentage of the energy that they collect.

      Btw, can you please explain why a solar panel that has no motion could be considered a perpetual MOTION machine?

      • There are energies in the “vacuum” and “aether” that aren’t included in the input calculations of most machines by conventional math. The energy DOES come from a source, but that source is ignored in their calculations. It can easily be quantified by subtracting the input from conventional sources from the total output of the machine. The difference is the ZPE taken in.

      • Everyday tons of sea water up and down about 2meter high,
        Billion ton of sea water…
        It’s come from moon gravity..
        It’extract magnetic atractive to Potensial energy..

        It’s has done for billion years perpetualy

        Please make me understand how does it work

        Tank’s for everything

  48. I’m up for it and have been thinking on this idea since 15, i’m 23 and now an engineer, my correction to this would be simple and mild. think instead of so many magnets (4), use 2 but have them designed not flat but slated making the magnets forever push off of each other, you would need some seriously strong magnets for any usable result but it should fix the problems and simplify the blueprints. P.S. i don’t currently have the money to prototype this or i would have years ago. Good luck!

    • What energy rotates magnet 1 so it turns magnet 2? Your time would likely best be spent seeking a refund from whatever school you went to.

      • Solar cells, wind turbines, solar heating are our current forms of so called “free energy” and despite high initial cost and some drawbacks, does serve a cleaner and viable purpose but what about air? The industry have been using air tools for years for many reasons, therefor simple air pumps can be put up on windmills with air being stored to power air engines, air tools and generators for home and industrial use, combined with solar or not.

  49. I might be repeating someone here but have you tried , well first the two magnetic fields cant attract they push the other away cant you drill a rotor from a car wheel on its spindal at an angel and make something to house around the spindal like a shoe drilled the opposite but as to push the rotor in the same direction as you drilled

  50. I’m trying to build a magnet motorized bike. I have a pretty good theory but I need a listener (that has a good relationship with magnets) to tell me if I’m just obviously wrong. To me it’s just so simple.

        • So by answering you exactly the same way you asked, I am a jerk? wow, ok. You said magnet motor. That’s what this page is about. And no, they don’t work. Not only do you need an external source of energy to move one of the magnets, you also won’t be able to find magnets strong enough to convey the rotational force you need.

          • You still have not heard the idea at all. You have no idea what you’re even being so negative about. Just lay off.

          • Why do you keep saying I haven’t heard the idea? Did you read the page you’re commenting on? It is very clear about the idea.

            Calling me negative for understanding basic thermodynamics is like calling me negative for telling you jumping off your roof and flapping your arms isn’t going to allow you to fly.

          • You are commenting on my comment. I never said anything about my idea, only that I had one for consideration for someone with a good relationship with magnets to ponder. You haven’t got one ounce of an idea what I’m talking about. Therefore, you are only looking for an argument that doesn’t exist. You are feeding off your own negative energy. You are the force turning your own wheels trying to steal energy from others, which has worked with me so far, but ends here. You will have to find another outside source of energy.

          • All you are doing here is spreading your negativity around. We get that you don’t think it will work. We’re still going to experiment. So move on.

          • Your “jerkness” is easily measured by your writings. It takes no actual meeting with you to figure that out.

            The initial motion is done by the operator’s hand. Once started, the yield is all gain. So, subtract the energy of the hand starting the first movement, and you have days and days of energy profit left over. You have the most closed mind of any “educated” person on this thread. Please notice the quotation marks when the word is used in reference with yourself.

          • No, you don’t have energy left over. You cannot get more energy out of the system than you put in. This is basic middle school science.

            I don’t have a closed mind. I have an educated mind that understands basic scientific principles. And this stuff is really basic. Like eighth grade basic.

  51. Right at the beginning it says “rotating disc.” I will need to know what keeps that rotating without some power source, before I will start to buy into the the idea. Anything that is moving in the mechanism needs the same scrutiny – be it a piece of metal or a magnetic field. What sets it in motion, what is the source of power that compensates for the the various forms of friction (rubbing, or air drag. etc.). Friction is why we don’t have machines that make power for free. You cannot say, “I will now ignore all the friction.” that makes the analysis invalid.

    “proven mathematically by many scientists.” this requires a citation so I can go to theses scientist’s

    work and review it. This is how science works. Repeatable testing, and peer review.

    Make the case correctly, subject it to review by qualified people. It will fail to function. Because it is impossible.

  52. no it can’t work, these motors NEVER work, people who fall for this are gullible, and people who pretend to have invented one of these are preying on people who don’t understand physics (or scams or delusional thinking) and should be dragged into the street and beaten to death

  53. All the free energy schemes that looked like they really work when I have built them and taken them out on the ranch where i can find a spot 5 miles from a power line other any other electricity and put them in a Faraday cage they stopped running.

    All the magnetic motors I’ve seen so far rotate on bearings and turn in air. Both generate friction. The more power they make the more friction and heat they generate. That all has to come from some where.
    Before Solar Panals farmers would run insulated wires on the top of fence posts into a transformer to make enough 115 volt AC power to run a fence charger. It doesn’t take very much. It’s annoying to pay $30 dollars a month year round when you only need a hot fence for 2 or 3 months a year on 3 or 4 farms. So some farmer used to steal power that way. Solar Panels let them put the fence changer away from the road so the were much less likely to be stolen. When the power company catches you its best to pay what ever they ask for and instal a meter. It’s lot cheaper than what it cost to lose the court case.

    My mind isn’t close to new ideas. But extra ordinary claims shuch as free energy require at least some thread of evidence either in theory or a working model that has hint that its possible. Models that rattle, shake and spark that someone hopes to improve with a higher resolution 3D printer when they need to worry abouttolerances of 1 to 2 ten thousandths of an inch to get it run as smoothly shows they don’t understand a motor. The entire discussion shows a real lack of under standing. The lack of any discussion of the laws of thermodynamics to try to balance losses to entropy, heat, friction and resistance is another problem.

    If your going to try to make cheap energy at least learn where to start. Don’t keep making the same mistakes over and over again. Don’t waste your time tilting windmills.

    I wish you better luck that I have had.


    • This is EXACTLY spot on. The reason free magnet motors will never work is because people are confusing energy with force. Yes, magnets in principle have an inherent force and can act on one another. But you cannot throw a few magnets in a closed system and have their force attract and repel each other to generate free motion because a magnetic field has equal sides attraction and repulsion and any motion with the magnets that appears to utilize one would cancel out the other. The sum of energy needed to keep a system with permanent magnets in motion is going to always be greater than, even by a hairline in a perfectly designed system, than any energy that can be extracted even if that energy is only used just for keeping them in some form of rotational inertia.

  54. @Bill  I so love this idea I have been studying this idea for awhile and I would love to get involved in some way especially with the intent to release free energy to the world this is so desperately needed

  55. @Bill Lets do this Bill. I want to use a 3D printer to create the stator and rotors. This should allow a high quality build with lower cost. Small adjustments can be made as well by re-printing parts with slightly different measurements, etc. I am with you 100% on the no patents and no plans to make money with this. I want to free the world from this oppression.

  56. As much as you claim this isn’t possible, many people have tried and failed many times, but once they found the right combination, they realized that they never failed, but instead found multiple ways NOT to do it, and only needed 1 way to do it…
    So anyone who is up for the adventure, I’m open to trying, Just let me know if you want to move forward!!!

      • Actually, you should use care there.

        They said the selfsame thing about my relatives. You might know them…the Wright Brothers? Or perhaps you might realize that they said the seflsame things about the guy who invented the AC power system you use right now to power that PC you use to post such tripe? You know, Tesla?

        Simply put, if you don’t have actual evidence in hand, you don’t know any more than what you were told. At one point people all “knew” the world was flat, you couldn’t fly like we do in heavier than air machines, or AC power would even work. If you can’t manage any better than that, the only “fucking moron” is the one I’m talking to right now.

        • It’s funny that you would cling to some vague relation to great inventors as some proof that impossible bullshit is just a matter of believing. The Wright brothers didn’t waste their time on alchemy or free energy. They sought to understand the physical forces around them. And it’s not like they persevered in the face of critics telling them they were chasing the impossible, any fool could observe a bird flying to know it’s possible. You will never achieve anything even close to what they did because you are seeking to defy the reality of our world. You’ve got to understand before you can invent.

          • The hand of God is the power, but the power of magnetism has kept this earth turning on its axis for untold ages . No, it’s not alchemy or magic to understand the attractive/resistive force created by magnets which requires no expensive fuel to operate. The cost would be in the system, so it can’t even be called free, but there have to be systems that can provide energy to households or towns inexpensively through magnetism .

          • You guys have problems God granted us the knowledge to figure this stuff out of course we put a monkey wrench in our program when we ate the apple but we still have it and it is free if our mankind stop dipping their fingers in it and trying to make something off of it the government’s motto is there is a sucker born every minute and we got to take them for all they got

  57. @Bill I’ll take you up on your offer!!! I’ve been looking into this idea for a while, and REALLY WOULD LOVE to find a way to actually launch a Hummingbird Motor, and a Sundance Generator, (If you look these up on google, you will find the scam I am talking about, but I want to believe that the concept is true, I’ve seen evidence that Tesla did create something like this, and I’d like to bring it to reality, and offer it on a small scale, Household and small business like scale…

  58. When I first began looking at the history of free energy suppression, I foolishly believed people would be interested in a machine that would economically and reliably generate energy 24/7 without the user supplying a source of energy.
    Eight years later, I realize people, in general, just don’t care. They’d be willing to buy it from a store fully assembled and ready to use, but not to form a group and actively build and test it in a DIY application. Unless, of course, they can patent it and make a trillion dollars. Human nature, I guess.
    Solar and wind devices are allowed onto the market only because they are too expensive for most people on earth to afford. Everything else I’ve seen that costs less just disappears after a company announces plans to build and sell to consumers.
    I seriously doubt anyone will contact me about my offer.

    • I would certainly be interested in learning the principals involved, I do have friends with the materials necessary if I can come up with diagrams. Granted the discussion convinces me it will work.

    • If they are too expensive for people to afford, nobody will buy them. So why would someone interested in making a profit manufacture something nobody can buy? You aren’t making any sense.

  59. I know how to arrange a magnet motor so it turns on repulsion, with no need for an external power source. My biggest obstacle is I do not possess the building skills necessary to build it. It’s a fairly simple approach that I haven’t seen others trying on YouTube videos. Involves a seesaw stator, 2 spiral arrays on the same drum, and two inclines to jump each gate. Seesaw stator acts to rebalance after jumping a gate on either array, driving that side of the stator back down into play.
    If anyone is willing to attempt it (build it) I would happily explain the principal. Would only ask that you freely share it with others so it could spread and eventually become common knowledge. No money, no patents.

    • i had a dream of a similar motor awhile back (7yrs or so) that’s what made me look this up you’re the first to come close to describing what i dreamed about and i think it would work don’t give up build it . gl

    • Driving that side “back down into play” requires ENERGY. It is literally and completely impossible for your idea to work without an input of energy, and you WILL get less energy out than you out in. Guaranteed. Why? Because if it weren’t a guarantee then the universe wouldn’t exist for you to try it in.

  60. All plans COP>100% ….after overunit use QMOGEN (1 motor overunit + 1 generator)
    please go to “espiritosantosilva” to see my channel (if you want).
    my site http://linoavac.no.sapo.pt
    (1bedini generator + 1bedini motor) – is QMOGEN (2wheels connected – double.bedini with 2 wheels connect

  61. Harvey1 is correct so far. Many, many have tryed and failed. Others have posted video or more and then fade away as they have not really created such a amazing device as claimed.  I still try every few weeks. My designs or trying to replicated others. SO far, non are working and those on the web havent been found to to real either. Perhaps someday, My project will work. I have been close a few times, but it still didint work. Its a lot of fun and a bit expensive for a weekend hobby.

  62. Im a nobody but I also know its possible and It may only be drawings and ideas but I know I could do it…. It won’t be easy but it is possible just not as of now

  63. LoneWolffe Harvey1 LoneWolffe The device that is shown in the diagram would not work, but the issue that Is the concern here is  different. The first problem is that people say science is a constant which in itself is true but to think as human we know all the laws of physics is obnoxious. As our laws of physics have change constantly, through history. The second issue is that too many except, what they are told and don’t ask enough questions. Yet the third is the most concerning of all Tesla once stated that by using the magnet filed of the earth it is possible to manipulate electro’s in the atmosphere to create electricity. This means that by manipulating electro you take energy from the air we all breath to convert it to usable energy. Shortly after this statement, it is knowledge that the government stopped Tesla’s research, with no reason to why. Its all well and good reading books but you still question them.

  64. Harvey1 Just because we don’t know how something can be done doesn’t mean it can’t . Remember the Wright brothers ? There is a television series  that promotes the idea the pyramids were built by space visitors , because they don’t how they did it . The atomic bomb was once thought impossible . The word “can’t” is the biggest impediment to progress .

  65. Philosophically speaking, if you appear to have over unity you have neglected to observe all the energy transitions involved in that particular system. Entropy.
    Some things that may appear to be perpetual are not, just because we cant observe for a long enough period of time. We used to believe suns would live forever through their power of fusion but have now observed that is not the case, suns fusion does have a lifetime but over a billion years is way beyond our lifetimes perception.
    We are so often limited by our own observation and easily miss seeing things that should be obvious.
    We can have seemingly free energy from sources such as the sun, wind etc. But these are not free and not indefinite.
    Using the suns energy is our best bet as it will easily outlive humanity. Anyone who thinks not should perhaps study the lifespan of our planets extinct creatures. It took dinosaurs millions of years to cause critical damage. We’ve been doing the same at a much faster rate. I’d be suprised if we even got close to a million years.
    Has anyone studied trying to encapsulate the energy of the northern and southern lights? Our planet is essentially one huge electric cell itself. But if we did this would we have the wisdom and knowledge to consider all the possible repurcussions of taking that energy?

  66. MikeYoung 1955 version   So, it looks like Mr. Mike drops his frowning judgmental picture and pontifications on a site, and then leaves forever.  
    Good Riddance!

  67. MikeYoung 1955 versionMike,  It’s so easy for the uncommitted to pass judgement on those
    willing to take a stand because you have no investment in either point
    of view. History is made by people taking a stand, the rest are soon

  68. I’m not on either side of this issue. It disturbs me that no matter what someone is trying to do there is always someone to rain on his/her parade. Maybe that’s a law of physics as well. I say this in all seriousness because we have a concept we should all want to be true. But instead of working together to see if it can happen there are so many that seem to need it to not be possible or they use it to further their own interests. I haven’t researched this and have only read about it a few times but the real issue that threatens us all (at least as I see it) is our inability to cooperate without attacking, scamming or just furthering our own egos (or lack of maybe). It reminds me of young children squabbling about nonsense. Just get over your problems and try to help make this (or any unproven concept) happen.

    • Legitimate projects see massive coordination among tens, hundreds or thousands of people all the time. Wacky bullshit doesn’t. The problem isn’t people’s ability to work together.

  69. Everyone,
    Thank you for the stimulating conversations. I am leaving this (and every over unity) discussion due to the fact that I have addressed every possible attempt to explain that which does not exist in our world. Just apply my prior posts to any new (or old) claims of over unity. No one can explain the fact that no device exists that anyone in a first world country can own, build or operate without the inventor present and in control. Of all the posters here, I’m certain kimseymd1 will miss me the most :).  Have I convinced anyone of my point of view? I’m afraid not, but I do wish all of you well on your journey.

  70. EllyMaduhuNkonyaSorry, but no one on planet earth has a working permanent magnetic motor that requires no additional outside power. Yes there are rumors, plans to buy, fake videos to watch, patents which do not work at all,  people crying about the BIG conspiracy, Tesla worshipers,  and on and on. Still, not a single working motor available that anyone can build and operate without the inventor present and in control. We all would LIKE one to be available, but that does not make it true. Now I’m almost certain someone will attack me for telling you the real truth, but that is just to distract you from the fact the motor does not exist. I call it the    “Magical Magnetic Motor”  – A Magnetic Motor that can operate outside the control of the
    inventor with no outside power source. I challenge anyone to address that single point, and not change the
    subject by attacking me, talking about the government, the big oil companies,
    911, Tesla, Lutec etc.

    • Harvey1, the principle of sustainable motor based on magnetic energy and the working prototype are both a reality. When the time is appropriate, I shall disclose it. Be of good cheer. I do not fear any conspiracy from any nook & corner. I am simply taking my time and my space to stage the inevitable confrontation in the frozen face of the industry and geopolitics tycoons.

    • Utter bollocks. You are one of those who have been brainwashed (educated) in to thinking this is not possible. Trust me, I have seen these things work. Why don’t you open your mind and have a go ? You might surprise yourself.

  71. this think is complicated and confusing, its a year now I’m struggling to build this motor after work hours, I tried to build it from scratch but doesn’t work, few weeks ago when i was browsing I met someone who designed a self running motor by using computer CPU fan and Hard disk magnets I quickly went to purchase old scraped computer hard disk and new cpu fan and go step by step as the video instructed but It doesn’t work, Im still trying to make this project possible. Professionally Im a computer technician, but I want to learn Motor and magnetism theory so I can  accomplish this project and have my name in memory. I anyone can make this project please contact me through facebook so I can invite him/her to my country and make money as you know third word countries has power disaster. My facebook Id is Elly Maduhu Nkonya, or use my E-mail. [email protected]

  72. Harvey1 Please stick to the topic. If you have something useful to say, say it, but don’t troll people around, or I’ll close the conversation and nobody will be able to add anything to it ever again. I liked watching this thread for the past 5 years, but I see it’s going the wrong direction.

  73. LoneWolffe Harvey1 kimseymd1 TiborKK I was only letting others that were confused that there were sources for real learning as apposed to listening to Harvey1 with his normal naysayers attitude!  There is tons of information on schoolgirl, schoolboy and Bedini window motors that actually work to charge batteries and eventually will generate house currents.  It just has to be looked at to get any useful information from it without listening to people like Harvey1 whining about learning.

  74. Harvey1 kimseymd1 You obviously play too much video games with trolls etc. in them.  Why the editors of this forum allow you to keep calling people names instead of following the subject is beyond me.  This must be the last site to allow you on it.  I spammed the books because I thought those people were good for learning these engines which are super and there are tons of information out there for anyone to find.  You seem to only want to learn to be rude instead of electronics.  Your a typical narrow-minded democrat.  They are all liars, cowards, cheats and thieves.  For the rest of you looking for real science and not the pretend science  Harvey seems to search  look for Bedini window motors.  Those seem to be the route to generating 5kw for your house.

  75. Harvey1 You have just proved yourself maybe a teen ager at most since it took days to create thisa disastrous and ignorant comment which has nothing to do with the forum!

  76. Warning to all: It is becoming obvious to me that the person going under the name of Kimseymd1 is nothing but a vicious TROLL who doesn’t even believe in over unity. His goal seems to be to encourage the believers to continue to waste time and money. As a skeptic, my goal is to try and raise the standard of what is believable versus what is fraud. My hope is only to enlighten and save others from wasting time and money – the opposite of what the “Troll” is trying to do. Notice how easy it is to discredit many of his statements just by using Google. From his worthless book recommendations (no over unity devices made from these books in 5 years or more) to the inventors and their inventions that have already been proven a fraud. Take the time and read ALL his posts and notice his tactics: 1. Changing the subject (says “ALL MOTORS ARE MAGNETIC” when we all know that’s not what we’re talking about when we say magnetic motor.  2. Almost never responding to a direct question. 3. Claiming an invention works years after it’s been proven a fraud. 4. Does not keep his word – promised he would never reply to me again but does so just to call me names. 5. Spams the same message to me 10 times, claims only 3 times, then says he needed 10 times to get it through to me. He can’t even keep track of his own lies.
    Please do not respond to him except perhaps for a single word in caps : TROLL. That is what I am going to do from now on — and I keep MY promises.

  77. kimseymd1Harvey1A million spams would not be enough for me to believe a lie, but if you continue with the spams, you will likely  be banned from this site. Something the rest of us would look forward to. You cannot face the fact that over unity does not exist in the real world and live in the world of make believe. You should seek psychiatric help before you turn violent.

  78. I would love to build this and test it out.. but the diagrams is a bit fuzzy… where can I download a clearer version?

  79. jayanth Read two books!  ENERGY FROM THE VACUUM concepts and principles by Bearden and   FREE ENRGY GENERATION circuits and schematics by Bedini-Bearden.  Build a window motor which will give you over-unity and it can be built to 8kw which has been done so far!   NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!  John Bearden has the credentials to analyze such inventions and Bedini has the visions and experience!  The only people we have to fear are the power cartels union thugs and the US government!

    • dude perpetuum mobiles do not exist. anything using wind or solar energy doesn’t count because you’re putting huge amounts of energy in the system

  80. rychu Read two books!  ENERGY FROM THE VACUUM concepts and principles by Bearden and   FREE ENRGY GENERATION circuits and schematics by Bedini-Bearden.  Build a window motor which will give you over-unity and it can be built to 8kw which has been done so far!   NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!  John Bearden has the credentials to analyze such inventions and Bedini has the visions and experience!  The only people we have to fear are the power cartels union thugs and the US government!

  81. Read two books!  ENERGY FROM THE VACUUM concepts and principles by Bearden and   FREE ENRGY GENERATION circuits and schematics by Bedini-Bearden.  Build a window motor which will give you over-unity and it can be built to 8kw which has been done so far!   NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!  Bearden has the credentials and knowledge to answer these questions and Bedini is the visionary for them!  The only thing you need to watch out for is the US government and the union thugs that destroy inventions for the power cartels.  Both will try to destroy your ingenuity!  Both are criminal elements!

    • kimseymd1 Why would you spam this message repeatedly through this entire message board when no one has built a single successful motor that anyone can operate from these books?  The first book has been out over 6 years, costs $100, and no one has built a magical magnetic (or magical vacuum) motor with it. The second book has also been out as long as the first (around $50), and no one has built a motor with it. How much commission do you get?  Are you involved in the selling and publishing of these books in any way?  Why are you doing this?  Are you writing this from inside a mental institution?

      Window Motor: An electrical motor that controls the window regulator for power windows.
      How about, for once in your life, directly answer a question without some non sequitur answer.

  82. Are there any tinkers here with the resources to try and build this thing for themselves? I’m not sure if this invention works or not. It certainly looks compelling, but I also know a friend of mine who worked on perpetual motion for a good twenty years with nothing to show for it.
    So here’s the thing. Quit asking for someone to build one for you. I’m just an automobile technician and I can see how to build it, although I think the cam needs improvement. Instead of saying “It can’t be done,” build it and prove it to yourself whether it works or not.
    On the other hand, this is simple mechanics, supposedly, no alchemy or black magic or “unobtanium crystals.” Instead of saying “It’s a conspiracy,” put one together and prove it.
    There can only be one answer. Either it works or it doesn’t work. Honestly, for both sides of the argument, put up or shut up.

    • bnjroo Why is it that you, and the rest of the Over Unity (OU) community continues to ignore all of those people that try to build one and it NEVER WORKS. I was 14 years old in 1959 and though of building a permanent magnet motor of my own design. It looked just like what I see on the phoney internet videos. It didn’t work. I tried all kinds of clever arrangements and angles but alas – no luck. My older brother explained that in high school physics, they learned that magnetism is not energy at all. Never was, never will be. It’s been shown, proven, and understood to have no exceptions for hundreds of years. Something that O.U. should learn but refuses to. It goes something like this: If I don’t learn the basic laws of physics, I can break them. By the way, we had a lot of fun playing with non working motor anyway, and learned a few things in the process. My brother went on to get his PHD in physics and wound up specializing in magnetism. He designed many of the disk drive plates and electronics in the early (DOS) computers.

      • Harvey1 bnjroo Well, at least some good came out of it then. 🙂 I’m not attacking you or anyone else. Just seems pointless to argue over something that’s been proven to be nonexistent.
        I didn’t say it would work. I just said it could be built. What it does after that is, as you said, nothing.

        • bnjroo Harvey1 Thanks for the reply! I’m afraid there is an endless list of swindlers and suckers out there. The most common fraud is to show a working permanent magnet motor with no external power source operating. A conventional motor rotating a magnet out of site under the table is all you need to show a “working magnetic motor” on top of the table. How could I know this? Because with all those videos out there, not one person can sell you a working model. Also, not one of these scammers can ever let anyone not related to his scam operate the motor without the scammer hovering around. The believers are victims of something called “Confirmation Bias”. Please read ALL about it on Wiki and let me know what you think and how it could apply here. This trap has ensnared some very smart people.

        • Harvey1 bnjroo Read two books!  ENERGY FROM THE VACUUM concepts and principles by Bearden and   FREE ENRGY GENERATION circuits and schematics by Bedini-Bearden.  Build a window motor which will give you over-unity and it can be built to 8kw which has been created!   NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!  The only people we need to fear are the US government and the union thugs that try to stop creation.  John Bearden has the credentials to create such inventions and Bedini has the visions!

        • kimseymd1Harvey1bnjrooWhy would you spam this message repeatedly through this entire
          message board when no one has built a single successful motor that
          anyone can operate from these books?  The first book has been out over 6
          years, costs $100, and no one has built a magical magnetic (or magical
          vacuum) motor with it. The second book has also been out as long as the
          first (around $50), and no one has built a motor with it. How much
          commission do you get?  Are you involved in the selling and publishing
          of these books in any way?  Why are you doing this?  Are you writing
          this from inside a mental institution?

          Window Motor: An electrical motor that controls the window regulator for power windows. How about, for once in your life, directly answer a question without some non sequitur answer.

  83. TiborKK – The elephant in the room:
    Focus — A Permanent Magnet Motor with no outside power source that can operate outside the control of the
    inventor. I challenge anyone to address that single point, and not change the
    subject by attacking me, talking about the government, the big oil companies,
    911, Tesla, Lutec, REFUSING TO ANSWER. Bragging about some future invention they are going to create etc.

    • Harvey1 Read two books!  ENERGY FROM THE VACUUM concepts and principles by Bearden and   FREE ENRGY GENERATION circuits and schematics by Bedini-Bearden.  Build a window motor which will give you over-unity and it can be built to 8kw which has been done so far!   NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!

    • Harvey1 Read two books!  ENERGY FROM THE VACUUM concepts and principles by Bearden and   FREE ENRGY GENERATION circuits and schematics by Bedini-Bearden.  Build a window motor which will give you over-unity and it can be built to 8kw which has been done so far!   NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!

  84. The times of the “nothing can fly which is heavier than the air is” would be over one day. Our education and perception is the only thing which limits us and seals our imaginations.
    Things in the big open space work differently. They are free of man created limitations and narrow minded views on energy, matter, time, space and existence.
    So my suggestion is to think twice before pronouncing the word “impossible”
    Open systems, connected to the cosmic clockwork of the nature will work for billions of years (by our understandings of space and time) and would provide us anything we would need 
    to reach our little targets within that frame (even without interfering with our basic views, if we were willing to extend the boundaries of our dogmas created  for “closed” systems centuries ago.)
    Our cosmic nature is the direct prove of this, no matter what path we would chose to achieve it as long as we manage to plug ourselves into the endless (for us) sources out there…

    • TiborKK Read two books!  ENERGY FROM THE VACUUM concepts and principles by Bearden and   FREE ENRGY GENERATION circuits and schematics by Bedini-Bearden.  Build a window motor which will give you over-unity and it can be built to 8kw which has been done so far!   NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!

      • kimseymd1TiborKKWhy would you spam this message repeatedly through this entire
        message board when no one has built a single successful motor that
        anyone can operate from these books?  The first book has been out over 6
        years, costs $100, and no one has built a magical magnetic (or magical
        vacuum) motor with it. The second book has also been out as long as the
        first (around $50), and no one has built a motor with it. How much
        commission do you get?  Are you involved in the selling and publishing
        of these books in any way?  Why are you doing this?  Are you writing
        this from inside a mental institution?

        Window Motor: An electrical motor that controls the window regulator for power windows. How about, for once in your life, directly answer a question without some non sequitur answer.

        • Harvey1 kimseymd1 TiborKK LOL!  Your ignorance is showing through as usual.  There are thousands of items and definitions in history using same names for different items or descriptions.  These window motors in the books are total different from car window motors.  Read the book you ignorant ass!
          Read two books! ENERGY FROM THE VACUUM concepts and principles by Bearden and FREE ENRGY GENERATION circuits and schematics by Bedini-Bearden. Build a window motor which will give you over-unity and it can be built to 8kw which has been done so far! NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!

        • LoneWolffe kimseymd1 Harvey1 TiborKK Thank You LoneWolffe!!  Notice how kimseymd1 spitefully posted his “Read two books!..” spam all over this board on every one of my posts. Then, he again avoids the subject of the fact that these two books have not produced plans for a single working over unity device that anyone can operate in the open. If he even understood a single one of my posts, he wouldn’t have suggested that I spend $150 on two worthless books. I shouldn’t make fun of him as it is not P.C. to do that to someone who is mentally challenged. I wish him well and hope that he gets the help that he obviously needs. Perhaps he’s off his meds.

        • Harvey1 LoneWolffe kimseymd1 TiborKK i did notice that. i mean, ok, spam once, but three times is pushing it. does this all sound like those ads on the back of bazooka bubble gum wrappers? was it bazooka?
          sorry, perpetual motion is a good project to keep the mind going, but working on it too long apparently can have a detrimental effect on the mind.
          the laws of physics dictate that energy output cannot exceed energy input. the best it could ever do is break even in a theoretically perfect system, but the real world doesn’t work that way. breakthroughs in science have never broken these laws. if anything, they have always confirmed them.

        • LoneWolffe Harvey1 kimseymd1 TiborKK If three times was pushing it, what about the ten times he spammed it? Would that qualify as a jihad? Where are those drones when you need them?  🙂

        • Harvey1 LoneWolffe kimseymd1 TiborKK What part of letting ten different people know the same information becomes a problem for a person who has no clue as to what he is talking about?  You are clueless as to what a window motor is and clueless as to what this forum is about but continually whine about others!

        • kimseymd1 Harvey1 LoneWolffe TiborKK  You posted your message to ME 7 times. Who is clueless? My definition of a Window motor was correct. You had another definition in mind – Big Deal. That has nothing to do with anything. Let it go.  
          By the way – Thank You for addressing my comment directly. There may be hope for you yet. You might even be a nice guy after all.

  85. Harvey1:  I haven’t been on here for awhile.  You are correct about Bedini saying he doesn’t have a over unity  motor but he also emphasizes he doesn’t know where the extra power comes from when charging batteries!  Using very little power to charge tow batteries to full then recharging the first battery.  I still think you are a fool for thinking someone will send you a working permanent magnet motor.  Building a Bedini motor is fun and anyone can do it!  I am on my third type but having problems!  It is too bad the motors weren’t listed as 1,2,3,4 etc.  I am working on a hybrid SSG with two batteries and a bicycle wheel and ceramic magnets.  I took the circuit back to SG and it runs fine with a bifilar 1k turn coil.  When I add the diode and second battery it doesn’t work.
    The subject on this blog is: https://www.greenoptimistic.com/2008/07/17/how-to-make-sandeep-acharya-magnetic-motor/ so try to stick to it!

    • kimseymd1 I do not really think anyone will ever sell or send me a Magical Magnetic Motor because it doesn’t exist. Therefore I’m not a fool at all. Just realistic. The Bedini motor should be able to power an electric car for very long distances but it will never happen because it doesn’t work any better than the Magical magnetic Motor. All smoke and mirrors – No Working Models that anyone can operate.

      • Harvey1 kimseymd1 This is my last reply to you of all time.  Even if a so called magical magnet motor(only you use that definition) no one would waste there time and money sending you or anybody one!  Why should they?  The whole subject is mute.  By the way I got my SSG energizer working:)  Looking for the next step.

        • kimseymd1Harvey1You call this a reply? You did not even appear to read or understand my response in the least. I’ve told you several times that I NEVER EXPECTED ANYONE TO SEND ME ONE. You cannot seem to get this. Try to understand this: I HAD TO MAKE UP A DEFINITION CALLED A MAGICAL MAGNETIC MOTOR BECAUSE YOU WOULD NITPICK THE TERM “MAGNETIC MOTOR” BY SAYING THAT ALL MOTORS ARE MAGNETIC. Are you so delusional that you cannot understand what I am saying? Are you too intellectually challenged to understand? Are you knowingly changing the subject again to avoid answering me? Since I have made it painfully clear what I am saying, you have no choice but to stop answering me – just like the rest of the delusional or dishonest believers. In my opinion, your unethical and disingenuous tactics do not make a good case for over unity. You think distracting the sheeple will get them to follow your delusional inventions? Maybe you can scam them out of their money like Mike Brady, the self-proclaimed developer of the Perendev “magnet motor”, who was arrested in
          Germany where 61 customers wanted their money back ($1 million Euros+)
          for non-delivered 100 and 300-kw electromagnetic motors, do you still
          believe that the “Magical Magnetic Motor” exists for real? You cannot even face the fact that the “Magical Magnetic Motor” that anyone can operate has never shown up anywhere.
          In my opinion, “Will Probable Make the 7kw 10 coil generator now.” = “The Checks In The Mail”
          You believers never seem to deliver anything.

          Even your simple mind might be able focus on one thing (is that too much to ask of your delusional brain?):
          Focus — A Permanent Magnet Motor with no outside power source that can operate outside the control of the
          inventor. I challenge anyone to address that single point, and not change the
          subject by attacking me, talking about the government, the big oil companies,
          911, Tesla, Lutec, REFUSING TO ANSWER. Bragging about some future invention they are going to create etc.

        • kimseymd1Harvey1You need not reply anymore. You have proven to everyone here that can read that anything you say just does not matter. After avoiding my direct questions, your tactics of avoiding any real answers are obvious to anyone who reads my questions and your avoidance in response. Not once have you addressed anything that I’ve challenged you on. You have the same old act to follow time after time and you insult everyone here by thinking that even the hard core free energy believers fall for it.
          Here are you tactics in a nutshell for everyone to see. You should be embarrassed:
          1. Telling everyone that all motors are magnetic when everyone else but you knows that they really mean a permanent magnet motor that requires no external power source. Do you really think you’ve pointed out anything? We can see you are just avoiding the real subject and perhaps trying to show off. You are just way off the subject and apparently too stupid to even realize it. It makes you look like a fool, a scammer, or both.
          2. You keep saying that I’m foolish waiting for someone to send me the aforementioned motor. Again, you missed the point completely. I never (or should I say N E V E R) expected anyone to send me anything. It was just to make the point that it never existed. I explained that to you several times but you just keep repeating how foolish I am to expect someone to send me a motor. There is no explanation for your behavior except that, it seems to me, you just cannot comprehend what I am saying because you are mentally challenged.
          3. You suggested that I build the motor myself. Again you missed the point completely. I have said time and again that the motor is a delusion and does not exist (the Mythical Magnetic Motor). If I know that it doesn’t exist, how could I, or anyone for that matter, build one? 
          4. Your “Bedini” or should I say “Houdini” Motor: First lets define the Houdini whoops I mean Bedini motor: It also called Bedini Dual Battery Recovery Circuit- A
          device that captures otherwise wasted or unusable energy, and
          transforms it into a form that can be used to charge batteries. This
          energy stored in the battery can then be used to power loads, and in any
          way that a standard battery can be used. 
          This device can indeed charge a battery. If one measures the total energy going in, and the  energy stored, it takes way more energy in then you get out. That’s true for ALL battery chargers. Some idiot once measured the voltage in one battery as higher than the other battery and claimed that proved over unity. Hint: voltage does not measure power. Try measuring amp hours at a specific voltage in, and amp hours at the same voltage out. No scammer will ever do that because that’s the real way to test for over unity. Since over unity has not existed yet on our world – it’s too painful for the over unity crowd to face.
          Since kimseymd1 won’t dare to answer, does anyone else dare to?
          By the way, everything in all my postings is my opinion and I’m sticking to it.

  86. Kimseymd1: You no longer are responding. Is it because you’ve encountered someone smart enough to call you on your rhetoric and misinformation? Were you just having fun here feeling superior? Did I spoil your fun by calling your bluff? How does it feel to know that your little game is exposed by a far superior intellect who has real knowledge of electronics and physics instead of some sheeple with a primary school level of ignorance on the subject?  Your debating 101 tactics won’t work on me – been there, got an A, done that.

    • Harvey1 Read two books!  ENERGY FROM THE VACUUM concepts and principles by Bearden and   FREE ENRGY GENERATION circuits and schematics by Bedini-Bearden.  Build a window motor which will give you over-unity and it can be built to 8kw which has been done so far!   NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!  John Bearden has the credentials to analyze such inventions and Bedini has the visions and experience!  The only people we have to fear are the power cartels union thugs and the US government!

  87. rychuHow about Let’s just say no one has ever had a real working model of magnetic engine (Magical Magnetic Motor). A delusion can never see the light of day.

  88. Free electron enrgy And you have how many working “Magical Magnetic Motors”? Oh you say you’ll have one next week? Year? Century? Millennium?

  89. @Thomas E. Lassek “odd’s strongly favor someone, somewhere, and somehow, assembling a rudimentary form of a magnetic motor”
    Odds strongly favor that someone will prove the laws of physics that have stood for hundreds of years false? With a set of plans from the internet? With some phony videos? An elementary school level understanding of physics?  How about warp drive? Time travel? Your getting an education in physics?  All just a delusion.

  90. @AmanIn case you have not noticed, there is no such thing as a gravity or magnetic powered engine. You said “Science is constant,cannot be modified according to our wish.” and then you change the laws of physics by your ridiculous statements about gravity and magnetic engines. You should at least learn a few laws of physics before saying we do not need to modify them.

  91. @Geoff Fritz It has been shown that the particles did not exceed the speed of light. Reality bites but delusions suck. Take your pick.

  92. Free electron enrgy “Now breaking on the market” = “The check is in the mail”.  The reason I cannot enlighten you is that no amount of evidence can convince you. You cannot even acknowledge that there is no “Magical Magnetic Motor” in existence that anyone can operate without the inventor around. This is called “Confirmation Bias” and we all can fall into this trap. Look it up on Wiki. Please do not be rude – this is not personal.

  93. Kimseymd1: Please stop changing the subject. I call it the “Magical
    Magnetic Motor” in order to limit the conversation to a mythical motor
    that needs no external power to operate, using only permanent magnets. Please
    read my definition of the Magical Magnetic Motor below. You seem to quote a
    mixture of real knowledge (showing off, are we?) interspersed with urban
    legends. Please stay on subject – Focus — A Magnetic Motor that can operate
    outside the control of the inventor. I challenge anyone to address that single
    point, and not change the subject by attacking me, talking about the
    government, the big oil companies, 911, Tesla, Lutec etc.
    bruce45: The first thing a serious magical magnetic motor scammer does is
    get a patent and claim or imply that the patent is proof  that it works.
    The patent office does not require, nor conduct any testing of inventions. If
    you fill out the paper work correctly and send money, you get a patent. People
    who apply for patents know this so why would anyone brag about their invention
    having a patent just to add credibility? They know how easy it was to get a
    patent therefore they must be a scammer. Howard Johnson’s motor has been proven a fake
    and a scam many times while no one can produce a working model. Read this next
    sentence carefully and think about it as it eliminates any magical magnetic
    motor claim. Focus — A Magnetic Motor that can operate outside the control of
    the inventor. I challenge anyone to address that single point, and not change
    the subject by attacking me, talking about the government, the big oil
    companies, 911, Tesla, Lutec etc.

  94. Hello?  All motors are either magnetic or kinetic!  The hardest one to realize are the  all permanent magnet motors.  Normal magnetic motors are  AC: all windings or AC-DC: wires and permanent magnets or DC brushless with wires and magnets and a hall censor and control circuit.

  95. So.. No working Magical Magnetic Motors* available for me to buy? No surprise. Can we all agree now that it’s just a delusion to some, and a scam to the rest?
    *Magical Magnetic Motor – a mythical motor that needs no external power to operate, using only permanent magnets. Only proof is phoney videos, not real motors that anyone can operate without the inventor around. Can be used to get the foolish to part with their money for plans.

      • bruce45Harvey1Here we go again – it ought to be illegal to raise the old worn out patent issue: The patent office does not require, nor conduct any testing of inventions. If
        you fill out the paper work correctly and send money, you get a patent. People
        who apply for patents know this so why would anyone brag about their invention
        having a patent just to add credibility? They know how easy it was to get a
        patent therefore they must be a scammer.

    • Harvey1 Read two books!  ENERGY FROM THE VACUUM concepts and principles by Bearden and   FREE ENRGY GENERATION circuits and schematics by Bedini-Bearden.  Build a window motor which will give you over-unity and it can be built to 8kw which has been done so far!   NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!  John Bearden has the credentials to analyze such inventions and Bedini has the visions and experience!  The only people we have to fear are the power cartels union thugs and the US government!

  96. rychu Post it to overunity.com and any other good sites unless you’re going to market it you better get patents which cost thousands of dollars and bureaucracy.

  97. http://www.livefyre.com/profile/12933266/
    You say “you haven’t done enough research or understand electronics enough to realize these models actually work.” yet like so many, you believe that the Bedini SSG is an over-unity
    device and it is not. John Bedini has emphasized this very point on
    many occasions. Your only basis in saying what you did about me is that it disagrees with your hope that the magical magnetic motor (a magnetic motor that runs on permanent magnets with no outside power source) is real. Don’t get me wrong, I really appreciate your having the courage to answer my post. I will directly address your point of “why should anyone send you a working motor”. The answer is in my post where I said I would pay generously for one. I really mean that. Secondly, you said “…you are probably quite able to build one yourself”. The whole point of my post is that the magical magnetic motor is only a delusion and does not exist. No one can build a delusion. How could you miss that? It’s so obvious in the post. We are all capable of self delusion to the point that we cannot see the obvious. I believe that is what is happening in regards to a motor that needs no external power to operate. As proof of that, I have supplied an incentive for anyone to send me a motor in return for a generous reward. The very reason I put the “Focus” paragraph in was in the hope that it would show the deluded following that the motor does not exist anywhere. Nothing short of a real working model would prove it’s not a delusion. Stay focused on that and you will see the truth of what I am saying.
    Please do not take what I am saying personally. I am trying to bring forth a truth here. Stay focused!

    • Harvey1A magical magnetic motor?  Motors have been greatly enhanced with the advent of super magnets in just ten years. Smaller and more powerful to say the least.  In my mind over unity is simply a better way of using electricity to create a better generator.  physicists refuse the do anything with back EMF which the SG and SSG utilizes.  I don’t believe in perpetual motion or perpetual motors and even a permanent magnet motor generator wouldn’t be perpetual.  I do believe there are tons of ways to create a better motor or generator and a combination motor generator utilizing the new super magnets is a huge step in that direction and will be found soon if the conglomerates don’t destroy the opportunity for the populace.  When I first got into these forums there was a product claiming over unity ( low current in with high current out)and selling their machine.  It has since been taken off the market with a sell out  to a conglomerate or is being over run with orders.  I don’t know!  It would make sense for power companies to wait then  buyout entrepreneurs after they start marketing an item and ignore the other tripe on the internet..
      Bedini’s SSG at a convention of scientists and physicists (with hands on)  with  a ten foot diameter wheel with magnets has been a huge positive for me. Using one battery to charge ten others of the same kind is a dramatic increase in efficiency over current technology.   Why not use the term over unity over perpetual motion?  Re-vitalizing a dead battery headed for the junk yard is a huge increase in efficiency to me also.  Why doesn’t every AutoZone or every auto shop  have one of these?  Unless the battery case is cracked every battery could be reused.  The charge of a re-vitalize instead of a new battery.
      Without a generous payment, listing an amount,  I don’t see anyone jumping on that.  A hundred dollars could be a generous amount but the cost of buying parts, experimenting and finding something worthwhile could be thousands to millions of dollars that conglomerates are looking to pay for and destroy or archive.  I have probably spent a thousand dollars in just a few months that I’ve been looking into this and I have 33 years in rebuilding computers from the first mainframes to the laptops.  I retired and now its a hobby.
      Without visions there would never have been automobiles. motors, generators, airplanes, explosives or even kites to fly.  I encourage everyone to tryout their visions which may fail or fizzle but one out of a million or so may create a better way to do something.  It happens all the time.
      There is a new material called Graphene which is graphite, like in a pencil, created  at the molecular level.  It is a super strong material for dozens of applications all 100% more efficient in those areas:  Military armor( an elephant standing on a pointed pencil to break through it) solar cells, electronics-computer s100 times faster than silicon based computers, applying it to hospital walls because it is anti-bacterial, and a myriad of other applications.
      Someone had a vision:)

      • kimseymd1Harvey1The purpose of my post is to debunk the idea of a Magical Magnetic Motor. That is, a motor that has no source of external power, and runs from the (non existent) power stored in permanent magnets. Advances made to electric motors in the past few years are truly amazing, but are totally outside the scope of my post. Although I think we agree on the Magical Magnetic Motor, please try to stick to my stated focus: — A  Magnetic Motor that has no source of external power, and runs from the (non existent) power stored in permanent magnets and that can operate outside the control of the
        inventor. I challenge anyone to address that single point, and not change the
        subject by attacking me, talking about the government, the big oil companies,
        911, Tesla, Lutec etc.
        Perhaps if we can debunk the myth of the magical magnetic motor, people can concentrate on continuing to improve real technology.

        • Harvey1 kimseymd1 Read two books!  ENERGY FROM THE VACUUM concepts and principles by Bearden and   FREE ENRGY GENERATION circuits and schematics by Bedini-Bearden.  Build a window motor which will give you over-unity and it can be built to 8kw which has been done so far!   NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!  John Bearden has the credentials to analyze such inventions and Bedini has the visions and experience!  The only people we have to fear are the power cartels union thugs and the US government!

  98. @Ernest DIzon It would all depend on the length of your probes(which would probably need to be a thousand feet each)  and the amperage you get for the motor to work.  You can run a lot of motors n 12 volts.

  99. @Ernest DIzon Two discs with equal spacing and an equal number of magnets will clog.    Just place two magnets on your discs and try it.  Obviously you haven’t.  That’s simple understanding.  You would at the very least have a different number of magnets on one disc but that isn’t working yet either.    Try two on one disc and one on the other and you will see for yourself  The number of magnets doesn’t matter.  If you can do it width three magnets you can do it with thousands. Good luck!

  100. @Geoff Fritz Hello?  every motor is a magnetic motor.  Every magnetic motor can be used a generator and visa versa.  Get you language right!

  101. @HoJo Motor This is a magnet motor not a magnetic motor which is any motor using  coils only(AC) or coils with magnets (AC or DC) and this includes  any generator or alternator which can be used as motors  Any motor can be used as a generator or visa versa.

  102. @Denise Henning  Why are you playing mine is bigger than yours with Liam on this forum?  You two sound like your 10 year olds and at most uneducated high school kids.

  103. @Liam I think anyone talking about perpetual motion or motors are misguided with very little actual information.  First of all everyone is trying to find a motor generator that is efficient enough to power their house and or automobile.  People use perpetual motors in place of over unity motors or magnet motors  which are  three different things.and that is a misnomer.  Three entirely different entities.  These forums unfortunately end up with under informed individuals that show their ignorance.  Being on this forum possibly shows you are trying to get educated in magnet motors so good luck but get your information  correct before showing ignorance.

  104. @Liam You are missing the point.  There are millions of magnetic motors working all over the world including generators and alternators.  They are all magnetic motors.  Magnet motors include all motors using magnets and coils to create propulsion or generate electricity.  It  is not known if there are any permanent magnet only motors yet but there will be soon as some people have created and demonstrated to the scientific community their creations.  Get your semantics right  because it only shows ignorance.

    • kimseymd1 No, kimseymd1, YOU are missing the point. Everyone else here but you seems to know what is meant by a “Magnetic” motor on this sight. It a (mythical) motor that runs on permanent magnets only with no external power applied. How can you miss that? It’s so obvious. Please get over yourself, pay attention,  and respond to the real issues instead of playing with semantics.

  105. @Tony Foulsham I’m assuming when you say magnetic motor you mean MAGNET MOTOR.  That’s like saying democratic when you mean democrat..  They are both wrong because democrats don’t do anything democratic but force laws to create other laws to destroy the USA for the UN and New World Order.   There are thousands of magnetic motors.  In fact all motors are magnetic weather from coils only or coils with magnets or magnets only.  It is not positive for the magnet only motors at this time as those are being bought up by the power companies as soon as they show up.  We use 60 HZ in the USA but 50HZ in Europe  is more efficient.

    • kimseymd1 There you go, playing with semantics again to avoid the real subject.
      Tony – How can you quibble endlessly on and on about whether a “Magical Magnetic Motor” that does not exist produces AC or DC (just an opportunity to show off your limited knowledge)? FYI – The “Magical Magnetic Motor”  produces neither AC nor DC, 50 or 60 cycles 120 or 230 volts! It produces current with a Genesis wave form, a voltage that adapts to any device, an amperage that adapts magically, and is perfectly harmless to the touch. By the way, do you know what an OHM is? It’s an Englishman’s ..OUSE.

  106. @Tom Lassek  There are tons of patents being made from the information on the internet but people are coming out with the information.  Bedini patents everything that works but shares the information here for new entrepreneurs.  The only thing not shared are part numbers. except for the electronic parts everything is home made.  RPS differ with different parts .  Even the transformers with a different number of windings changes the RPM.  Different types of cores can make or break the unit working.  I was told by patent infringer who changed one thing in a patent and could create and sell almost the same thing.  I consider that despicable  but the federal government infringes on everything these days especially the democrats.  The internet is the only reason large corps. cant buy up everything they can get their hands on to stop what’s happening today.

    • kimseymd1 The patent office issues patents if the paperwork is filled out correctly and payment is included. No testing whatsoever is ever done.  Get it? No Testing Ever. Please stop with the old “…It must work because it has a patent”.

  107. @Thomas E. Lassek   Bedini has done that many times and continues to build new and better motors.  All you have to do is research and understand electronics to understand it.  There is a lot of fraud out there but you can get through it by research.  With 33 years in electronics I can see through the BS and see what really works.  Build the SG and see for yourself the working model..  A audio transformer 1:1 ratio has enough windings.  a transistor, diode and resistor is all the electronics you need.  A wheel with magnets attached from 2″ to however big you want is the last piece.  What?  Maybe 20 pieces all together?  Bedini built one with a 10′ wheel and magnets for a convention with hands on from the audience and total explanations to the scientific community.  That t is not fraud

    • kimseymd1With 33 years in electronics you still cannot grasp that no real working “Magical Magnetic Motor” exists anywhere? Yes it is fraud you moron.

  108. The internet is full of videos that “show” one fully working. Unfortunately,
    it appears they are all fakes because the inventor is always close at hand and
    never lets the magic motor out of his sight. All one has to do is put a
    rotating magnet (or magnetic field) under the table driven conventionally, to
    make the magic motor appear to work on top of the table. That’s why the
    inventor cannot let this fraud device out of his control and can never send
    anyone a working model. All known and proven technology can work in the hands
    of anyone and without the inventor hovering around. Somehow, the true believers
    give the Magic Motor a free pass on
    that. Why? Because they hate big oil, big government, and most of all The Big
    Conspiracy. So, they think the Magic Motor must exist because it’s only fair
    that the evil powers be taught a lesson. No logic can dissuade their delusional
    belief. The conspiracy must exist to explain the complete and utter lack of a
    real working model that can work for anybody. With all the kits out there, no
    conspiracy could suppress a working model. Come on, there are whistle blowers
    everywhere who would expose such a conspiracy in a minute.
    I would pay a generous amount if anyone could send me a small working
    magnetic motor to put on my desk. It must be powered only by permanent magnets.

    Focus — A Magnetic Motor that can operate outside the control of the
    inventor. I challenge anyone to address that single point, and not change the
    subject by attacking me, talking about the government, the big oil companies,
    911, Tesla, Lutec etc.
    I’m waiting…. (Tap…Tap…Tap)

    • Harvey1 And why should anyone send you a working motor when you are probably quite able to build one yourself.  Or maybe not?  Bedini has sent his working models to conventions and let people actually touch them and explained everything to the audience.  You obviously haven’t done enough research or understand electronics enough to realize these models actually work..  The SC motor generator is easily duplicated.  You can find 1:1 audio transformers that work quite well for the motor if you look for them and are fortunate enough to find one along with a transistor, diode and resistor and a wheel with magnets on it..  There is a lot of fraud but you can actually build the simplest motor with a 2″ coil of magnet wire with ends sticking out and one side of the ends bared to the couple and a couple paperclips to hold it up and a battery attached to paperclips and a magnet under it.  Building these things is easy when you find the parts to work with.  That’s the hard part!  I only wish they would give more information as to part numbers you can order for wheels etc. instead of scrounging around on the internet.  Wire is no issue because you can find it all over the internet.
      GL finding someone rich enough to send you a working model:)

    • Harvey1  
             I really have no idea if the “magic motor” as you call it is possible or not.  Yet, I do know of one device that moves using magnetic properties with no external power source, tap tap tap a Compass.  Now, if the properties that allow a compass to always point north can be manipulated in a circular motion wouldn’t a compass move around and around forever with no external power source. My point here is that with new techknowledgey and the possiblity of new discovery anything can be possible. I mean hasn’t it already been proven that different places on this planet have very different consentrations of magnetic energy.  Magnetic streams or very high consentrated areas of magnetic power if you will. Where is there external power source? Tap Tap Tap

      • Mie2centsHarvey1Thanks for caring enough to respond! Let me address each of your points: 1. A compass that can be manipulated in a circular motion to move around and around forever with no external power source would constitute a “Magical Magnetic Motor”. Show me a working model that anyone can operate without the inventor around and I’ll stop Tap tap tap ing.  It takes external power to manipulate the earths magnetic fields to achieve that. Although the earth’s magnetic field varies in strength around the planet, it does not rotate  to any useful degree over a short enough time span to be useful. But why would you use the earth’s magnetic field for your “Magical Magnetic Motor” when a simple refrigerator magnet is 200 to 400 times more powerful than the earth’s measurable magnetic field? If you could manage to manipulate a magnetic field as you describe, all you would need is a simple stationary coil to harvest the energy – much more efficient than a mechanical compass needle. Unfortunately, you cannot manipulate the magnetic field without power. With power applied to manipulate the magnetic fields, you have a garden variety brush-less electric motor and a very efficient one at that. It’s a motor that has recently become popular for radio controlled (hobby) aircraft. I hope you can relate to what I am saying as many of the enthusiasts here resent my presenting a pragmatic view of the free (over unity) energy devices described here. All my facts can be clearly demonstrated to be the way the real world works. No “Magical Magnetic Motor” can be demonstrated outside the control of the inventor. Videos are never proof of anything as they can be easily faked. It’s so interesting that no enthusiast ever seems to require real world proof in order to become a believer. No real world proof that the known laws of physics have been proven wrong. No real world proof of anything. Try this – just for a few minutes make yourself believe that the whole over unity concept is a scam. Just for a few minutes while reading all my posts without forming responses in your mind. Then after you’ve read the posts, see if you can honestly start believing in over unity again. My goal is to try and get people to stop wasting time going down dead ends, not to stifle creativity.

        Focus — A Magnetic Motor that can operate outside the control of the
        inventor. I challenge anyone to address that single point, and not change the
        subject by attacking me, talking about the government, the big oil companies,
        911, Tesla, Lutec etc.
        I’m waiting…. (Tap…Tap…Tap)

  109. I think the key to the permanent magnet motor is a material that surrounds the magnet on a wheel (being one of a number of them) forcing the flux to come out of one side therefore a magnet on the outside can focus the same polarity flux to repel the magnet on the wheel and turn it.  The material a file is made of seems to be the key since flux doesn’t seem to pass through it or another material that stops the flux from passing through it  People seem to use the term  perpetual motor which will never be until you have a permanent magnet motor, or generator with frictionless air bearings.  Then they will work as long as the magnets don’t ware out.  It took 10 weeks to get from searching for  perpetual motors or generators  to permanent magnet motors which is  closer to reality.  There is a lot of fraud in perpetual motion machines but not so much in permanent magnet motors and generators.

    • kimseymd1 ” but not so much in permanent magnet motors and generators.”  What are you talking about? Claims from nuts? Fake videos? Friend of a friend has one? How about facing the real fact that no one has ever had a real working Magical Magnetic Motor that anyone can operate. Come on, acknowledge what I said. No excuses. No delusions. No “It’s about to be released” No stupid fake videos with the inventor hovering around like a mother hawk and a rotating magnet under the table making it look like the motor is working. No using semantics to avoid the subject. There are  NO REAL WORKING EXAMPLES EVER. Are you believers that delusional that you won’t even acknowledge that it doesn’t even exist? How about an answer from someone without attacking me? This is NOT personal, just factual.

      • Harvey1 kimseymd1 Read two books!  ENERGY FROM THE VACUUM concepts and principles by Bearden and   FREE ENRGY GENERATION circuits and schematics by Bedini-Bearden.  Build a window motor which will give you over-unity and it can be built to 8kw which has been done so far!   NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!  John Bearden has the credentials to analyze such inventions and Bedini has the visions and experience!  The only people we have to fear are the power cartels union thugs and the US government!  Most of your assumptions are correct regarding fakes but there is a real invention that works but you need to apply yourself to recognize it and I’ve stated it above!

      • Harvey1 kimseymd1 It obviously takes ten times spamming you for it to get through to you that there is information out there that can explain everything you so called to want so look it up!  Your nothing but an antagonizer!

  110. Hi guys
    It seems that you’ve been at this game for a while.
    Let’s say one has the working model of magnetic engine what’s next?
    How do you ensure it ever sees the daylight? And please don’t talk about patents etc. Give me the realistic way to break the news to all before ending up in mental institution or jail?

  111. Hi Jayanth, You need to study all the permanent magnet motors being built on the internet.There are many combinations of
    magnet sizes ,placement and drive configurations. I suggest you build a small model first before you get to far ahead of yourself.

  112. hello sir this is jayanth and i to got the same idea about the magnetic engine sir i just wanted to know how much horse power we can run by this engine and how much magnetic power should be used for this engine… and i am intrested to do this as my main project so please reply me sir as soon as possible i want ur guidens…and my mail id is [email protected] please email me sir

  113. Hi
    i will like to know if i can build the magnetic morot on my own way(not like the one on u-tube) and get patent no.for it ?or even just sell it as a motor without getting in trouble?

  114. Most of times scientists are dissapointing.
    Not much time ago they say anything heavier than air can not fly and a few years later we have the sky crowded of many flying machines, then scientist explain how they do.
    We need encourage all those crazy inventors trying to do crazy inventions, mankind need them. After they do science will explain how they did.

  115. From my opinion…
    (may be I am the most stupid, may be I am not that much to deserve that tittle)
    I have seen some beautiful inventions but at the end, the inventor is murdered, put in jail or patent is bought for a large energy corp and kept in top secret.
    This is possible because only one man is involved and he wants to become millionaire with its invention. He is aspiring the big energy corporations money, very bad.
    That we need is to develop an invention (let say magnetic motor) in secret, with own money and later donate patent to mankind.
    I know USA and Europe patent office work for a small group of people, sounds I am paranoid but my sikiatra says I am perfectly normal.
    Patent rights must be done away from USA and EUROPE patent offices to keep away from “strange hands” and later donate to mankind, so the invention will belong to all our civilization.
    At these point, sounds as dream, but I can not find other way. Your kids and grand kids will say thanks to you.
    What do you think?

  116. I think the odd’s strongly favor someone, somewhere, and somehow, assembling a rudimentary form of a magnetic motor – it’s just a matter of blundering into the “Missing Link” that will make it all work. Why not ?? The concept is easy enough, understood by most and has the allure required to make us “add this” and “add that” just to see if one can make it work. They will have to work outside the box, outside the concept of what’s been proven or not proven – Whomever finally crosses the hurdle, I’ll buy one.

  117. Over thinking is common. That said , if it works and I believe it does then everybody wants and needs one. From my understanding “big energy” companies bought the patent rights from Howard Johnson (not the hotel guy) back in 1980 ? My point iis , if it doesn’t work, why buy it.

  118. Science is constant only to the point of provability and acceptance. Perceived conflicts exist only when one searches for the concept of a truth within preset parameters. The outcome can only be twofold. 1- The truth is non-explainable within the parameters. 2- The truth may be explainable within expanded parameters.

    So there is ultimately a choice. One can spend their entire life accepting only certain conclusions obtained within a certain preset set of parameters, with no probable progress, or, they can expand the parameters for inclusion, opening the possibility of provability under a heretofore unknown set of standards.

    This is not a grand revelation. In or about 1920, the accepted laws of physics AT THAT TIME were not sufficient, Classical Mechanics were deemed insufficient when addressing certain situations concerning energy and matter at the atomic level. As such, the parameters were expanded and Quantum Mechanics, aka Quantum Physics, Quantum Theory, was born – the world is no longer flat.

    My point : Keep an open mind and don’t be afraid of working outside parameters in resolution. I want to see someone engineer and construct a “Magnetic Motor” – The world needs it.

  119. Laws of physics do not need to be modified.A gravity powered or magnetic powered engine does not violate laws of thermodynamics.A gravity engine will simply convert Gravitational energy into electrical energy which follows law of conservation of energy.Hence,real gravitational energy powered engines are not Perpetual motion Machines.
    Science is constant,cannot be modified according to our wish.The idea that Gravity and magnetic energy powered engines are perpetual is just a very big Virus killing people’s ability to think the truth.

    For more info regarding the reality of Non-Perpetual Gravity engines,please see my blog with 3 articles as of now:


    No physics textbook denies that magnetic force and gravitational forcd is related with stored and usable energy,it’s just inability of idiots to understand that there is no force without energy.Many idiots on many science online forums tried to insult me and tried to prove my logical valid Gravity power engine concept wrong by illogically saying that “Gravity is a force,not a source of energy”.How foolish that idiot’s statement appears to be.

  120. Interesting posts, pro and con. However, in the end, one will be judged on their ability to engineer and fabricate a working model of a magnetic motor. If someone is successful, then we won’t see specifics here, rather, a person would be foolish if they didn’t follow the legal procedures for both patent and production. The laws of science are not sacrosanct, rather, they will be modified as needed, if needed, when the scientific method proves a change is necessary . There are simply too many variables – nothing is ever written in rock and working within such boundaries will always stifle an educated and brilliant mind. How could it be otherwise especially when one considers that the heart of a magnetic motor is dependent on both magnetism and gravity, terms that even today, science refers to only as “A Force”, having absolutely no idea why the phenomena exists nor what it is.

  121. hi i was reading comments listed very interested reading especially the few about milage and oil company

    manny years ago during world war two my great grand father build a carburated motor and used it on his tractor he had proof that he could work the tractor all day 8-9 hours and use less than 1 gallon of kerosene

    shell heard about his invention and came and bought tractor and most copys of carburator

  122. I work at one of the very few magnet producing machine shops in the country, and have unlimited access to both the machining tools and the materials to make this design..I would be willing to give it a shot if i could get a better resolution picture of the blueprints. leave a comment if you find one

  123. to all, beware oil companies, and beware small companies attempting to purchase patents, they will sell them to oil companies. in europe their are 70 mpg cars. here their are 20 mpg cars. 20 years ago we had 30 mpg cars that were common. what does that say? dicks with alot of money can and will try at every corner to ensure that they can still make money. meaning buying things that prevent them from making money. anyone with blueprints and ways to make a working example please email me ([email protected]) i plan on powering my lights with them once i can figure out how. anyone with a working design please send me irrefutable video and simple instructions on how to assemble it. thanks. -tom

  124. Hi Liam, You should know that Unicorns really do exist! They exist in the minds of anyone who believes in a realm of existence where beauty and magnificence abound. Everyone should have such a place to escape to when they are perturbed by the stresses of everyday life. Relax! Close your eyes and let your imagination reach out to your favorite fantasy land. Through the mists of times lost to adulthood you may, indeed, see a Unicorn!
    As for the Magnetic Motor, it was envisioned by a group of unrelated people who believed that such a thing was possible and could be brought into existence. Howard Johnson spent many years trying to develop a magnetic motor. Although he failed to build an efficient and powerful yet simple motor, he did give a hint as to how such a motor could be built. Howard said that you must have the correct type of magnets, the correct shape of magnets and the magnets must be positioned correctly. Unfortunately, Howard only managed to get the correct type of magnets. He didn’t get the shape correct and he certainly didn’t place his magnets correctly.
    But because Howard Johnson had to develop his own motor design, which was flawed, he was not able to produce his desired results. That does not mean that he would also have failed if he had been able to envision
    a motor design that would take into account, and solve, the problems that prevent most experimentors and inventors from attaining success.
    I don’t know if you are an inventor who has actually had hands on experience with trying to build a mag motor,
    or if you are simply a naysayer who believes in nothing until undisputable proof is offered. Don’t you realize that everything man has done was simply a “Unicorn” in his mind until he managed to bring it to a life of existence in the real world?
    I am also aware that this world is full of scam artists who try to sell half-baked ideas and other completely fraudulent plans to gullible people who are eager to believe well written hype.
    Back to the point of why Howard Johnson failed; if he had known how to block the side-field flux of his magnets and he had used a different shape of magnets, he probably would have achieved the success he desired. However, Howard had only one design firmly emplanted in his mind and he was determined to make it work. His mind was poisoned by the success he had in making his linear motor work well enough to push a toy car on a rail. He did get a “push” but he got no power. So, he was doomed to failure when he applied the linear motor principle to a rotary motor.
    Someday, someone else will discover the secrets to making a magnet motor function efficiently and powerful enough to be practical.
    So, don’t be so quick to condemn people who believe in Unicorns and magnetic motors. The energy is there in the magnets and it can be converted to kinetic energy, rotory or linear. Oh, and my friend Pegasus loves to romp with the Unicorns in the fields and valleys displayed in my most memorable dreams. Eat your heart out !

  125. Hi chuck,please repply back!Give me your email address!I really appreciate your invention idea!
    My email address is [email protected]
    I am inventing an engine that runs on gravity.I am developing gravity engines for vehicles and for small domestic usage

    This is “Gravity-Piston Impulse Kinetic Power Technology”. Its like releasing a heavy ball over a small light weight ball at some distance from earth surface in vacuum.This means without any considerable reduction of speed of bigger ball travelling towards ground,the smaller balls get extra energy due to gravitational amplification.Well my engine works on a similar principle.In other words ,it works on the principle of Gravitational Amplification.

    What exactly happens is somewhat very smilar to this equation:
    ” Impulsive gravitational energy absorbed and used by light weight small ball from the heavy ball due to gravitational amplification + standard gravity (9.8) ;as output Electricity (converted)= small loss of big ball due to Impulse resistance /back reactance + energy equivalent to go against standard gravity +fictional energy loss + Impulsive energy applied. ”

    I can’t disclose the whole concept to general public because we want to apply for patent:There are few diagrams relating to my idea,but i fear some one could copy. Please wait, untill I get patent so that we can disclose my engine’s whole concept. AT first,i intend to produce products only for domestic use and as a camping accessory.I am doing more research for increasing power output so that it can be used in future in cars.My engine uses heavy weight piston,gears , 4 flywheels in unconventional different way and pusher rods,but not balls.It was necessary for me to take example of ball to explain my basic idea I used in my concept .(the ball system is very much analogous to the piston-gear system I am using in my engine). 

    NOTE:This is not a Perpectual Motion Machine.This is a real machine.

    My engine is inspired my nature:
    My idea is based on general Laws of physics/nature and is based on what we see daily in nature!The example of balls i mentioned is related to what we can see daily.

    We can see the apple falling over a leaf of the tree holding it,this sets leaf in oscillation due to impulsive energy and can be useful if tapped.

    So there is no chance of failure of this concept!There is no superior bigger proof / Evidence than nature!Nature proves that my concept as absolutely right!

    Surprisingly Modern Aircraft wings designs are inspired from nature,wings of birds!My invention is no exception,it’s also inspired by nature!

  126. Dear chuck,
    Nothing can break the law of conservation of energy!Yes E=mc2 is questionable(doubt) because it’s based on speed of light concept and neutrinos were recorded to break photon speed.

  127. Hi,I am inventing a real Non-Perpectual gravity engine.

    Please vote for my gravity engine invention idea on:


    Less than 1 month left for my idea to be selected by Quirky!please support and share this with as many people as possible.
    Gravity engine will change the world ,it will change how we produce 90 percent of our everyday electricity.Thanks!

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  128. Hey There People

    I have read several posts on here and irrespective if the Magnetic Motor works or not, you have to take into account the following criteria,before you go any further, because it is producing dc voltage.

    For those that do not know;
    dc voltage is Direct Current, in other words a straight wave form, similar to this symbol –
    ac votage is Alternating Current, a cyclic wave form, similar to this symbol ~

    Here in the UK the voltage is 230v ac 50Hz or you can get commercial 415v, which is three phase.

    Forget 110v don’t even go there.

    The problems lie in the above sentence; “230v ac 50Hz ”

    230v ac . . . . . . . . if it works you have to transform it TO 230v ac not a problem with a transformer.

    50Hz . . . . . . . . . . This is where the real fun begins, for our electrical appliances / equipment to run smoothly they must have 50Hz, or 50 cycles per second.

    Just imagine working on your computer and for some unknown reason the voltage started getting faster, in the industry we call it a surge, thats why we have various bits of kit to smooth it / stabilise it etc etc.

    I am not going to go into all the other ramifications but you can see my point.

    Now if somebody, anybody can qualify my statements and how these can be problems overcome, then this Project needs a coat of looking at.

    Yes if you haven’t already guessed it I have spent all my working life in the electrical industy and I firmly believe I may have just a little knowledge on ac & dc supplies.

    I look forward to the replies


  129. Hi ALL

    i know you all are agree 1 point, no one have ready and working magnet rotating motor, :), you are thinking all corners of your mind, like cant break physics law etc :), if you found 400 years back human, they could shock and death to see air plans , cars, motors, etc, oh i am going write long, shortly, dont think physics law, bc physics law was created by humans, and some inventors apear and write and gone, can u write your laws, under god created universe
    more short, i have create proto type electricity generation (3000watt), without useing anything( fuel, water, air etc) before 5 years, and still running
    powerfull magnet rotation motor i made last july 2011, under physics law :), and still runing, target time is 1 year run, all time my camera making video, bunch of hdd’s and now useing falsh to store them, after june 2012 i will jump to make it patent, and then world will ready to enjoy new technology, see ya

  130. There is no truth when it comes to magnetic motors apart from the FACT they don’t and can’t ever work.

    If anyone can explain how one is supposed to work then that will confirm their ignorance of the laws of physics.

    • you should not spew garbage out of you mouth until you really know what you are talking about! Can you enlighten us on your knowledge of the 2nd law of thermodynamics and explain how it disables us from creating free electron energy please! if you cant then you have no right to say that it cant work! people like you have kept the world form advancements.

  131. No “free energy magnetic motor” has ever worked. Never. Not Once. Not Ever. Only videos are from the scammers, never from a real independent person. That’s why only the plans are available. When it won’t work, they blame it on you, and keep your money. If it worked, you would be able to buy a guaranteed working model. This has been going on for 30 years or more – still not one has worked. Ignorance of the laws of physics, does not allow you to break those laws.

    • Harvey! can you enlighten us on your knowledge of thermodynamics and what impedes free energy! if not then shut your trap! permanent magnet engines are now breaking on to the market can you explain why these work when you say they cant!!

  132. Maybe particles that exceed the speed of light and were predicted by the theory of relativity will still obey the laws of physics and thus won’t break the laws of conservation of energy.

    Reality bites.

  133. Im not suppose to write here, but what you people here believe is possible, are true. The only problem is if one wants to create what we call “Magnetic Rotation”, one can not use the fields. There is a small area in any magnet called the “Magnetic Centers”, which is around 8 times stronger than the fields. The sequence is before pole center and after face center, and there for unlike other motors one must mesh the stationary centers and work the rotation from the inner of the center to the outer. The fields is the reason a PM drive is very slow, because the fields dont allow kinetic creation by limit the magnetic center distance. This is why, it is possible to create magnetic rotation as you all believe and know, BUT, one can never do it with a rotor. Do not even try a concept with a rotor it won’t work. I hope some of you’s can understand this and understand thats the reason a very few people have or seen real working PM drives.

  134. Liam,
    You are such a sweetie – Take some Prozac or something before you pop a vein. You sound so excited about all of this. Don’t worry apprentice when the time is right you will be one of the first to know. Exiting isn’t it?

  135. Denise,
    That was the response I expected. So answer these simple questions:
    – cite a reference to any working perpetual motion machine anywhere on the planet
    – state exactly where the energy comes from in a magnetic motor if all the forces in one add up to zero
    – tell us when you are going to into therapy


  136. Liam,
    My answers are; No, no and sorry I can’t tell you yet. Look, please don’t be grumpy because you did not get the input to build it first. Gees I can’t even tell you what we call it yet. But you will soon know. Sorry to sound so egotistical, but I have been excited about this for the last 4 years. Now don’t fret………. soon you will know what you need to know.

  137. “This motor of mine does more than your mind will ever grasp.”

    No it doesn’t because you’re making it up. I assume you’re involved with the HoJo scam or similar and you’re trying to use this forum to promote your con.

    If you have a perpetual motion device then describe exactly how it breaks the laws of nature. Like that is going to happen.

    You’re all talk.

  138. Denise,
    No it won’t work as no one has ever built a working magnetic motor and they don’t work for very simple reasons:
    – there is no energy in magnets
    – no perpetual motion machines work
    – the force required to bring two magnets into a position to repel is the same as the force released when they do repel therefore no energy gain

  139. Yes this will work. Just a few tips – Use “temperature” to stabilize the magnets and weight to minimize the amount of magnets + use stronger magnets. (Had a dream about this huge underground machine) Why are we not using this concept yet? South Africa needs electricity and stuff ….  Want to know more?

  140. Ernest DIzon,
    The copper aluminium boat is a single cell and thus will only produce about 2 volts. It will produce limited power but will corrode very quickly. Wear a life jacket for extended sea trials. LOL.

  141. Ernest DIzon,
    “…the secret is in the “SHAPE” of the magnets” No it isn’t. The real secret is that magnetic motors can’t and don’t work. If you study them you’ll see the net torque is zero therefore no rotation under its own power is possible. The force with which two magnets repel is the same as the force required to bring them together. Ditto, no net gain in force. No rotation. I won’t even bother with the Laws of thermodynamics.

  142. one of my pet project is:getting Electricity from sea water,this will be a boat a regular fourteen foot double-hull the out side hull would be alminium,the inner hull,will be copper but between the out side hull and the inside is where the sea water would pass through,with the electrodes connecting to a step-up transformer;once this boat is put on the seawater, the motor automatically starts,if the sea water gives 12 volt?when pass through a step-up transformer,it can amplify the voltage to 110 or 220,more then enough to proppel the boat forward with out batteries or gasoline;but power from the sea.

  143. Two disk,disk number 1 has thirty magnets on the circumference of the disk;and is permanently mounted;disk number two;also ,with thirty magnets around the circumference,when put in close proximity;through a simple clutch-system? the second disk would spin;connect a dynamo or generator? you,ll have free Electricity,the secret is in the “SHAPE” of the magnets,on the first disk,I,m building a demonstration model ;and will video-tape it,to interested viewers,soon,it is in the preliminary stage ;as of now.the configuration of this motor I invented? is similar to the “stone henge,of England;but when built into multiple disk?it will be very powerful,its a boon to car-makers,boat,s submarine (silent proppelent)and gyrocopters good for military purpose ,because it is silent ;and that would surprise the enemies.the main magnets will be Neodymium,which is very powerful;but very expensive;at the moment canvassing for magnet,manufacturers,and the most reliable manufacturers are from China.Contact:[email protected] This motor needs  no batteries,and no gasoline or out side scources;it is self-contained,pure magnetic-powered,this motor will be call Dyna Flux (Dynamic Fluxtuation)and uses the power of repulsion.

  144. Hi Rob
    This guy has 2 x 1 x 1/4. He has 4 for $25 (Emovendo Magnets & Elements). Google him.
    Probably inverters and batterys are your best way to go then if you want sine wave.
    You can buy straight AC sine wave generators. I install them all the time for hydro but you are talking big coin. The price for the generator alone (without the turbine) I would have to work out as they come in a package. Rough estimate would be around $6500 (AUSD) for a 5KW generator
    I have also installed AC Inverters that change AC generator power to correct AC wave for feed back to the grid systems. Once again, big dollars. Will have to look up my books but from memory 4kw inverter was around $3500 (AUSD).
    If you want to check out some cool ac sine wave generators google “platytpus power”. I use a lot of their products for the hydro installs. You wouldnt need the turbines but the motors might be of interest.

  145. Hey Gene, I wish i did’nt need to worry about the pure sine but every thing we own now has a stupid circuit board in it and everything is going energy star rated. If they don’t have pure sine then they run rough and use lots of power or burn out and its everything, DVD, VHS players, computers, dishwashers, fridges, stoves, microwaves our fridge even has digital temp readouts for both the fridge and the freezer, even our veggy steamer has a digital timer, flat screen t.v’s, you can’t get away from it anymore, the world has gone teck crazzy. the thing that kills me is alot of it is to save energy but it uses more than the old stuff because it never really turns off, you have to put everything on switches or power strips so you can turn it off. I don’t know if i can get away from using batteries for my project. I don’t have wind at night and solar is worthless at night and on cloudy days, so unless i can find the parts i need for my motor or figure a way to get more power out than i put in using an electric motor, then im stuck with batteries and an inverter and keep tinkering around untill i make something work. Any ideas on my magnet problem? If i can’t find the 2×1/4×1/4 then if i can find them 2x1x1/4 n48-50 magnatized through 1″ would work and would be stronger. I have looked at magnet stores and ebay but so far nothing.

  146. Hi Rob
    Not sure if they put out pure sine wave or not.
    Not many appliances will be that sensitive to power suply except for lap top chargers and particular aplliances with sensitive mother boards (like the smart drive washing mchine ironically so).
    If the magnetic motor will drive the pma constantly would there be any need for batteries as there wold be no need to store power?

  147. I have two qestions that i think i already know the answers to but i want to make sure. If i put two magnets on top of each other, will it make a larger stronger magnet or will it stay the same? Im guessing the same. If i use a strong magnet against a weeker one will it work or will the stronger one over take the smaller one? Im guessing it will over take it.

  148. Gene, i forgot to say that i found that size magnet but it was at the most expensive place in the world, K&J Magnetics but it was only n42, i really need n48-n50 but not having much luck

  149. Hi Gene, Those smart drives you say are 240v, that would be fine if they are wired the same as what we have coming into our homes. Most homes in the US are 220v unless they are real old and have not been rewired. My home is 112 years old but i have rewired it so i have 220 now, two 110 lines, one common, one ground. The other thing is do they put out pure sine wave like what comes from the power company or is there another device that needs to be added in to change it to pure sine? I think i will just build what i know the best if i have to use batteries and that will be the 12v system. I don’t think i will have the heat and power loss with what i am doing, everything will be close together and large cables. Also nobody has left a comment on the question i had on the 2×1/4×1/4 n50 magnatized through 1/4 magnets, do you know of any place that might have those?

  150. Hi Rob
    Just to add to last comment – u will get slightly less loss of current when using higher dc voltages but not to th point that it will ok for running long distances efficiently

  151. HI Rob
    You will get the same amount of heat through wires whether it be 12v,48v, 72v or whatever one you choose when its “DC” current. U need large wires to avoid all current and heat loss through DC current. Therefore if u choose 12 or 48v in dc the problem remains the same.
    If u switch to AC current then that all changes. You can travel a long distance with smaller wires no worries. The smart drives can produce AC or DC depending on how they are re wired.
    If you are trying to power a house of some kind then all of your appliances will already be AC obviously so you might be right to run them staright from your motor. Just put a big flywheel to deal with start up load of fridges etc.
    I will have a look for those plans for the smart drive and email them to you.
    You can hook up several smart drive PMA’s on top of each other driving from the same shaft. . From memory they make about800watts each.
    One problem you may have (but im not sure) is that fisher and paykel is made in New Zealand and are wired for 240v AC where as the US is 110v AC. Can you buy fisher and paykal sfuff over there thats 110v?

  152. Hey, does anybody know where i can get 2×1/4×1/4 n50 magnatized through 1/4? I have been looking every where and all i can find is 1×1/4×1/4.

  153. Hi Gene, ill have to look at the smart drives but another problem i am having is i am not finding any pma no matter how big it is that puts out very much power. There was one on youtube that claimed to put out 800w but i don’t know if that was true and that still is not very much, thats why i was wondering if i could wire in series 2-4 pma’s to get what ever voltage i wanted. If you know how to wire them like that then send me a diagram both single phase and three phase. The heat problem with the 12 & 24v is mostly in the wiring, it needs to have large cables to carry that low of power and there can’t be much distance between the pma and the batteries or there is power loss. Its just like running power from the house to a shop thats about 300 feet on small wire, by the time the power gets to the end of the line the power is weak and it heats the line up. If you pull very many amps on a 12 or 24v system it heats up fast. Also, i don’t know the metric system. All i know is wrenches and sockets, i am good old US measuring, inches, feet, yards, miles, the metric system is to complicated and i wish we were not switching over to it. I looked at what you have for your motor so far and it’s going to be big. Here is my e-mail if you want to send those diagrams, if you know how to do it. [email protected]

    • My name is Michael MacInnes from Orangeville,On. In regards to perpetual motion energy it already has been proven that (The 2nd law of thermodynamics) which was written by Newton in 1670 is in fact incorrect as inertia and friction (the two constants affecting surplus energy) are no longer unchangeable rendering the 2nd law obsolete.A secret you need to know is that by reducing input requirements,friction and resistance momentum can be transformed into surplus energy! Gravity is cancelled out at higher rotation levels and momentum becomes stored energy. The reduction of input requirements is the secret not reveled here but soon will be presented to the world as a free electron generator…electrons are the most plentiful source of energy as they are in all matter. Magnetism and electricity are one and the same and it took 28 years of research to reach a working design…Canada will lead the world in this new advent of re-engineering engineering methodology….

  154. Hi Rob
    I really cant see how 12v would make more heat thatn 24, 36 or whatever BUT from memeory (I havnt done a fisher and paykel smart drive conversion for about 12months) I think smart drive PMA’s are 3 phase and each circuit can be wired for 12v. Therefore you could have all in paralell for 12v. 2 in series and then 1in parallel to those 2 for 24v. Or 3 in series for 36v. Thats on the one single PMA.
    Have a look on U tube as there are a few people playing with these particular smart drive PMA’s on there.
    They are fairly large though. About 500mm across.

  155. Gene, Ya that was me but it was’nt so much the cheep part as it was trying to find a good plan for 48v and i havn’t found anything yet. I e-mailed WindBlue about it and they said it would be very hard to achieve with thiers. The only reason i am looking into this is because a battery company here told me to only build a 48v system because the 12 & 24v systems generate to much heat and power loss. Can i wire 4, 12v pma’s or 2, 24v pma’s together in sieres to add up to 48v? If so i do not know how to do it and will that take care of the heat problem? I am about to just forget it and just build a 12v system. Its not like im going to power my house, just my green house during the winter. Matt, if you do not have wind all the time it will be hard to make anything cheep work. Your wind would have to be pretty constant to keep your voltage from dropping to low, other than that you will need your turbin, rectifire, charge controler, 12v deep cycle battery or two 6v batteries wired together to make one big 12v batt and then a small inverter to change the power from dc to ac to run your battery charger. Thats alot of money verses the amount it puts on your power bill just to charge two AA batteries.

  156. Hey Matt
    U can buy one on ebay ready to go for about $40.
    Also, you can drive a small dc motor with a fan and produce currently easily. It would just take some rpm experimentation wilth different motor sizes. Kids toys and old VHS video recorders have heaps of dc motors. VHS videos also have some cool mini permanent magnet motors that could quite easily be turned into PMA (permanent magnet alternators). I pulled one apart about a month ago. They are mini versions of the Fisher and Paykal smart drive washing motors that everyone uses for wind genny alternators. I have used the smart drive motors on hydro electric set ups but not wind. You can wire them to produce AC or DC. Really handy conversion. You can acess the info on how to do it on “the back shed” (google it). They usually go for about $100 a piece on ebay or free at washing machine repairers. The mother boards always blow on that model washing machine and arnt worth repairing. This leaves a good motor in a useless washing machine.
    Havnt done any experiments with the the mini PMA,s yet from the VHS as I have been so busy with the magnet motor.
    That reminds me – Rob – wernt you looking for a good cheap PMA?
    Also, I agree with the comments about videos. I posted up the videos on u tube just for all the green optomist guys to look at and random people start leaving inane stupid comments.

    How can we post straight to this site?

  157. I was just hoping to make a small wind turbine to charge a couple AA batteries but I’m getting overwhelmed. I only want to spend a few dollars. Is it possible?

  158. I was wondering if when i get my motor finished how i can just show you guys and not put it on you-tube? I will not want the entire world to see it

  159. Just a quick u tube video if anyone is interested. No much has changed as im still waiting on the alloy cores to arrive from the states before go further.
    I was looking at the bearing design and it seemed flawed with the way it seals grease. Ok for super heavy duty action that it was designed but a bit heavy for the magnet motor. I pried the metal seals out with a screw driver and washed out the grease with kero. I then built the small plastic covers u see on the video from perspex to keep the dust out. I then lubricated the bearing with a small amount of a new age engine oil additive that I use on my excavator and truck engines. Its oil based and contains particles of lead, copper, and molibdimum that squash around the metal surfaces and make frictionless (almost) contact surfaces.
    Proof is in the pudding as they say, the friction of the bearings is almost zero. Blew me away with how well it worked

    here is link


    Hi Nick
    Thanks heaps for the encouraging coments. I will keep at it till something happens.

    Hi Gilgamesh
    havnt had time to look at plan yet. Will do so tonight

  160. Geoff, your patience is exceptional. I’m glad you stick it out. Gene, I congratulate you on your efforts and willingness to learn for yourself. All of this reminds me of my schooling. Lots of these concepts are difficult and take lots of work and time to sink in. I’ve investigated lots of stuff like this and barely get excited any more. I took a look at your setup. You’ve done well. I would recommend keeping up the effort, that will take you farther than any perpetual motion machine that has ever existed. Maybe try a Tesla coil next, it will work and there are many examples. There are many things out there that are real and amazing. Have fun!!!

  161. Hey Gene.
    I E-mailed my plan to you, I hope you can figure it out, how it works.
    The phase conjugation part is is included, But I could E-mail it to you.
    prnz888.It sounds like the magnetic motor, if it will work, I would buy,
    if it was sold at Walmart. Would like to see it on you tube.

  162. Hi Everyone
    New format on the site.
    Gilgamesh – my email is [email protected]. I cant find your email adress you left on the new format.
    Anyone else who want to email me anything is welcome to as well. Good having comments on here though so everyone can read.
    Hi Prnz888 – awesome, get your video link up on here so we can have a look
    Hey Geoff – you can now call me Mr Electro Magnet. I have done so much research in the last week. I have got 3 super exotic alloys on the way from the states at the moment for testing for core material. I know all about saturation, coercivity, etc etc. Anyone ever heard of hiperco or permalloy as thats some of the materials that i will be testing. Let me know your thoughts
    Hey prnz888 – you got that video up yet?

  163. My magnet-motor is simple and the best of all the magnet-motors:two disk with 24 or 30 magnets around the edge of Disk-AA;fixed permanently on a board;second disk-BB,also with 24 or 30 magnets around edge of disk:When disk-bb ,is put close to Disk-AA,through a simple clutch-system ;the disk-bb ;would spin,coupled a generator to the shaft,you,ll have ELECTRICITY,no gas ,no batteries,our out side scource;the secret is in the shape of the Magnets,I had tried to patent it in the United States;but was scammed,by crooked-lawyer,this motor would propel a boat ,helicopter,submarine,home-lighting plant,cars,electric-fan,s,if used with NEODYMIUM- MAGNETS? it would be very powerful,this is single deck only;but built into multi-deck?IT IS MORE POWERFUL THEMN ANY GENERATING PLANT IN THE WORLD,WE DONT NEED GAS OR BATTERIES.

  164. Hey Geoff and Gene.
    Geoff is right, there is no free energy from magnetic motors, I figured that out when my teacher build one, it was running for about a day and a half. I figured it needed more, and it would be not free energy, but a transferring of
    of energies to USABLE electricity. With phase conjugation. And even as I dont understand everything about Dan Winter ‘s phase conjugation, I think it can be included in a magnetic motor.
    Gene, if you want to improve your magnetic motor, just E-mail me. [email protected]

  165. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha – Oh my god, that was f*cking hilarious. That couldnt be more appropriate to this blog.
    Where did u find that.
    Makes me even more keen to go and work on the financial resource eradication device – aka – magnet motor.
    At least mine will cosmologically serindipitous though.

  166. Hi Geoff and Gilgamesh
    Except for mine. It will be the one that revolutionises the magnet motor industry. The reason that mine will work where others have failed is that im going to invent bigger, more confusing new terminolgy for making free power.
    Im going to use words like molecular rotational torque and quantum magnetc flux, etc, etc. See you guys think im onto something already, mega lol.
    Also mine will be shinier, more polished, and painted better than anyone elses. Im going to use tesla brand paint to make sure. That will have to make it work?????????????????

  167. Giglamesh,
    Personally I would forget any ideas about “free energy” devices such as magnetic motors and the like. Solar panels and wind generators have to be the way to go. Residential houses here install 1.5kW to 4kw panels and claim very reduced or zero power bills.

    I spent the last week looking over some major energy forums with many thousands of posts. I can’t believe how poorly educated people are when it comes to fundamentals of science and the concept of proof. It has become cult like, where belief has overcome reason. Folks with barely a grasp of science are throwing around the latest junk science words and phrases as if they actually know what they are saying. And this business of naming the cult leaders such as Bedini, Howard Johnson, John Searl, Steorn and so forth as if they actually have produced a free energy device is amazing. Not one of the dozens of cult heroes has produced a working model that has been independently tested and show to be over-unity in performance. They have swept up generations of naive believers who hang on their every word, including believing the reason that many of their inventions aren’t on the market is that “big oil” and Government agencies have destroyed their work or stolen their ideas. You’ll notice that every “free energy” inventor dies a mysterious death and that anything stated in official reports is bogus, according to the believers. Reality is never going to be accepted by tat section of the community.

    If it all wasn’t so much fun I wouldn’t bother to keep interested.

  168. Hi Geoff.
    It would be great if there was something, I know that all those magnetic motors on the internet will not work.
    I m not sure if the Tom Bearden device would work, or if he will start manufacture, and sell them, or if there will be someone else, with something real.
    I sure would like it, if I could just buy a working device, at some point I could move to Arizona, but my property there is so remote, there is no grid there for many miles away, I would have to make my own electricity somehow
    there also.If I could not buy one, maybe I could build one. But as you say there are new things from China every day, and maybe soon will be no problem to go into Walmart and buy one. I guess you know about everything out there, how soon you think, there will be something on the market.


  169. Giglamesh,
    Quote: “So I was going to order a magnetic motor, but nobody sell them, you can only buy plans, and build it yourself.”

    Therein lies the proof that no one has ever gotten a magnetic motor to work. Upon completion I’m sure many a builder thinks, “what did I do wrong?” After all it is a plan for a “working motor” and there are plenty of people who say they work, plus there are videos on YouTube.

    I made one when I was in school and it frustrated the hell out of me. Too young to know better.

  170. Hi Geoff.
    Thanks for writing all about the phase conjugation stuff. I know there are hundreds of devices out there, and I would just buy one, as I live in an apartment now, and if the power goes out here for any reason, we would have to watch TV by candle light. lol. I was going to buy a small generator from Walmart, but I cant even run it outside on the balcony. So I was going to order a magnetic motor, but nobody sell them, you can only buy plans, and build it yourself. And I figured, because it dont work, and I remembered, that I designed something like that in the 1950s, that I never build, and as I can see nobody designed, or build one like that,I dont know how it will work, but it have a much better chance of working, than everything I see out there, so I m planning to build one when I move out of the city. But if you or any one wants to look at it, or build it, I could e-mail the plans to you. I m not very good at building things, but I think I will give it shot.
    If Dan Winter’s phase conjugation theory could explain how it works if it works, I think that would be fine.
    As long as it will work, but I guess I will see when I build one.

  171. Giglamesh,
    When you have read as much stuff as possible about free energy devices and the people who promote them you’ll see a broad picture of the main groups.

    There are the do it yourself guys who have heard about it all and for what ever reason decide to pursue it. They go out and get plans and knock something up. Some tell us it worked. Some produce faked videos.

    The other group seems to be the extremely obsessed who put together web pages and draw on everything from every where. Common names and amazing “theories” keep popping up. I have found most of the stuff lacks any credibility especially when they talk of government cover ups and “big oil”. They throw around conspiracy theory stuff with every breath. They quote every new age terms in with established science and produce a mix that defies description.

    The next group take it one step further. They are in it for the money and use a lot of the sources of information used by the second group. Their goal is to get people to hand over investment money with the promise of a “free energy” future. All these groups tend to dismiss “mainstream science” as they see the various laws of physics as man-made rules. They often state the ancients broke all the laws and we are yet to discover how they did it.

    The test I apply to all the claims made by these people and groups is very simple. Where is the independent evidence? I have seen a lot of them quote input and output figures and numerous test results. Some even get supposedly independent testing done. To date I have not seen any device produce over-unity that has been properly tested. All the Bedini et al devices are often performance measured and peak wave figures quoted as averages and thus outputs are inflated by factors of 2 to 5 from what I recall.

    “Phase conjugation” – ah I love these terms. Why not quote it as “Golden Ratio Phase Conjugation” as Dan does? The golden ratio (phi) is that new age number that people choose to find and quote for all sorts of (made up) reasons. Or how about: “Dan presents cutting-edge discoveries including the “eye of god” which amounts to a boundary condition threshold related to plank length and time where plasma compression is entirely translated in vorticity to plasma acceleration, specifically by golden ratio heterodyning.”

    My point is. These folks are blinding the ill-informed with gobbledygook. If they string together enough impressive sounding words then somehow it must all be true.

    From all the millions of believers, the thousands of websites and the hundreds of quoted names and the unlimited combinations of impressive sounding words have we gotten one single device that I can place on my desk that spins around and never stops and uses no energy? Surely an enterprising Chinese company would see it as a money spinner (oh no I forgot about the evil Government and big oil!) and produce a cheap desk top model.

    Cut through the nebulous verbosity and you’ll find bovine excrement.

    “Phase conjugation.” Yeah right…

  172. One more thing i forgot
    I have found out about a material called “superpermalloy” that is suppose to make extra mega choice efficient electromagnet cores.
    Even better than soft iron evidently so hopefully i can find some of that
    Anybody ever heard of it?

  173. Hi Geoff
    Yeah, i decided to go big to get as much torque as possible. Also, i do agree with u that a large (and expensive, chuckle) electric motor is all i am going to finish up with. However, its the net power margins that im most interested in. Thats y i thought that if i use powerful rare earth magnets on outside spiral and rotor, a powerful electro magnet, and an efficient generator (like the wind genny i will be using) the margin of power used to run it (or not used to run it) even though proportionally the same percentage as a smaller one will be a larger margin in total (ie total wattage). Therefore more easy to measure if the margin is extremely smalll. Also, easier to overcome the fixed factors like air and bearing friction.
    Also, have found out a lot in this project about power generation that I might start researching with my hydro electric units.
    As for the soft iron, man what a mission to track that down. Seems thats its main advantage is that it looses its magnetism imediately after current is switched off. Found one bloke on ebay that is using it for exactly the same purpose (magnet motor electro magnet) but he wont post to Australia.
    SO ‘wrought iron”is the same thing? I will have a look for some of that and see how i go

  174. HI Gilgamesh
    That phase conjunction was interesting. I had a look at it and it seems its mostly used for water purification but i would be interetsed to find out more. Not much on the net

  175. Hi Gene.
    I think your magnetic motor will work, if you build it with phase conjugation.
    Dan Winter, I think he is still in Australia talks a lot about phase conjugation, but I dont think he would know how to build it into the magnetic motor. I dont know about phase conjugation, just have some ideas about it.
    Maybe Fritz will explain it.

  176. Hi Geoff.

    I agree with everything you write here about magnetic motors.The motor Gene build will work if he
    he will also build into it the Dan winter kind of conjugation. But I dont think very many people would know about
    this kind of conjugation, and I dont think even winter would know how to build it into a magnetic motor.
    The idea is to get more power out of the motor, than what you put into it. I think it is possible to this, if this conjugation what I m thinking will actually work. I dont know, if I know about conjugation, I just have some ideas about it, and maybe how to make it work.If you know Dan Winter’s conjugation, maybe you could explain some of it here.

  177. Gene,
    Just had a look at it. A lot bigger than I thought it would be for a test model. Looks nicely engineered. I see there is a comment there already. I agree with the comment. I’m suprised you can’t find some wrought (soft) iron. Do you realise if you have an externally powered electro-magnet you are merely building an electric motor? There won’t be enough power produced by a generator driven by this device to power itself. I wish I had your patience. Enjoy the project.

  178. Hi Rob
    The generators I was thinking about in the large size are actually called “axion flux” generators. Similar idea to the PMA, except the magnets are on the outside. Google it and their is heaps of stuff to look at. Might be the answer u r looking for.

  179. Charles Prichard,
    Quote: “Without shielding, the device does not work.”

    The Perendev motor has shielding and doesn’t work. Shielding as a means to getting powered rotation is a myth. Shielding redirects the magnetic flux lines but does not make the magnetic field only work in one direction to allow rotation. If you believe otherwise this is easily testable. Get any magnetic motor and using a calibrated spring balance measure via a torque arm determine the maximum load as you move the arm up to the point of maximum force. Do it in a clockwise and counter clockwise direction. The torque readings will give the same results. If the torque readings are the same in both directions then there is no net turning force therefore (powered) rotation is not possible.

    Mechanical and electromechanical shielding takes power to operate and thus external power is required and therefore the idea of a magnetic motor being self powering fails. The power required to operate the shields (including all losses) is more than can be gotten out of the device by a driven generator.

    Of course it is fun to build the models and observe and test all of this. Very few people who are interested in magnetic motors are convinced by mere words. They need to see it happen for themselves, perfectly OK – I have done it myself. Even that doesn’t convince some people who still feel the need to post faked videos as a last defiant act against the naysayers.

  180. Thanks Jason, are these already built units or do you build them your self? What kind of power watts that is ,is yours putting out?

  181. Sorry Gene, i should have asked this in my last post. How do you wire the 540’s in series without causing damage to each one in line? And no i have not seen the big pma kits. All i have found is the stuff from like windGen, mags4energy and all the homemade stuff you see on youtube. I have built three pma’s on the order of those but they don’t work very good. Where can i find the big ones? Do you know what the 540 max watts is?

  182. Hi Rob
    The windblue 540 is for the magnet motor.
    I was going to go with that one as it seems to be one of the more efficient pma’s at low speed.
    Most of the hydro electric units i install are all straight ac generators between 5kw and 30kw to feed straight back to the grid so the DC generators are a little outside my field of expertise.
    If u were hooking up 3 540’s they would have to be hooked in parallel set up and feed back to a common voltage point. Actually, thats not right if u are going for 48, or 72 volts etc, they would have to be in series. parallel for 12v.
    If your battery bank is hooked in series it may cause problems with the regulators cross referencing voltage. Depends – What is your battery bank powering and what is the voltage requirement of what u r powering?
    Also – have u checked out those big ass DIY pma kits available? They are massive. All the magnets etc supplied.

  183. Gene, No i havent seen it yet. I don’t know if i can. Every time i type in one of the u-tube sites it tells me it not available. I must do something wrong.

  184. Hey Gene, learn new things all the time. Hey are you going to put your WindBlue on this new motor your building or a wind turbin? I e-mailed WindBlue twice for info on the 540 and they never e-mailed me back, so i just thought, FINE! To heck with ya. Ill build my own. Do you know if more than one pma can be put on the same bank of batteries? Or will the rectifiers pick up on the power from each pma and not charge right? I know that is the way it is with car alt’s. If a car is running and you hook a batery charger up to it the alt thinks the battery is charged and stops charging, or if you put jumper cables from another car on and both of them are running then the two keep switching back and forth because they read the power from each other. I either need a real good homemade pma or a way to hook two or three WindBlues together to keep my bank of batteries charged.

  185. Hi Rob
    “Spit the dummy” comes from when babys spit out their pacifier when they start to cry. Generally it means to get angry or have a tantrum about something. Im fairly sure its an aussie saying so maybe geoff is from Australia.

  186. Fritz, i have never heard the term Spat The Dummy before, i am guessing that means i called you a dummy but i never did. I just came back at you for being called a lier. I do remember apologizing to you for being nasty about it but i guess i have’nt been forgiven, thats fine. I was told by a battery company here to not build a 12 or 24v system because they heat up to much and there is alot of power loss. He told me to only build a 48v system but after thinking about it i do not think i need to build the 48v pma but just charge with 12v and have my batteries wired for 48v and have a 48v inverter but then on the other hand the 48v pma would probably charge better. I don’t know what to do. I have built 12v single phase and a three phase but they do not put out what they are suppose to. The windBlue pma looks like the best one out there but i would think you could build a better one and thats all i am looking for is a real good one that somebody has built that puts out high volts and watts at low rpm. The WindBlue puts out 12v at 130 rpm but i don’t know what its watt output is at what rpm. These pma’s are also called magnetic motors but they are not a motor. They are a generator. you build the stator by making your own coils and hooking them together in a circle and casting them in resin and on one side of the stator there is a rotor with magnets on it that spin past the coils and on the other side of the stator there is either a steel stationary rotor or another magnet rotor that spins also thus generating power but i can’t find one that works right.

  187. Hi Gilgamesh
    Thanks mate. I have put a lot more effort into the construction than i thought. It will looks heaps better once i buff up the alloy and paint the base.
    Here is another u tube link i just put on there then with my phone. Hopefully it turns out alright. U can see everything a bit better in the day time.
    Any ideas about spiral proprtions would be greatly appreciated.
    Also, at this stage i will be using a windblue 540 generator but if anyone has an idea for a more efficient generator let me know. I will probably be mounting it as a direct drive above the brace but i may put a couple of cogs on to gear it up if i cant get the rpm’s
    Chat Soon

  188. The magnet motor as demonstrated by Wang Shum Ho requires shielding that is not shown in Ho’s plans. Ho’s shielding is simple, apparently on the stator. The Perendev shows each magnet in the wheel shielded. Actually, it intercepts the flux as it wraps around the entire set of magnets. The shielding is necessary to accentuate interaction between rotor and stator magnets. Without shielding, the device does not work.

  189. Hi Everybody
    here is the u tube link for construction so far.
    As I said before, magnets and generator still have to be attached. and wooden base has to be painted.
    I thought I would put it on so everyone didnt think I was full of bullsh*t when i said i was going to make one. Just been a bit behind schedule.
    Check out the machining on the aluminium parts and the double bearing system – pretty good if i dont say so myself.
    Also, before anyone asks the obvious, the arms are made of 316 stainless and are not attracted to magnets so it wont interfere. Chrome 3/4 shaft in the centre and bearing rollers are the only steel.
    I would really appreciate some comments or ideas if anyone has any.,

  190. Rob,
    The reason I haven’t commented is I haven’t seen the plans. Also the last time I posted my opinion that magnetic motors don’t work and the video was an obvious fake you spat the dummy.

  191. Hey Gene, i have looked at those to but they are 12v and don’t reach 12v untill it hits 130 rpm. That would be the easyest to hook up but i want to build a 48v.

  192. Hi Everybody
    Sorry, been so busy i havnt been keeping up with all the goss.

    I finished the housing, base, and the rotor on the magnet motor. I havnt attached the magnets yet and still havnt got the electro magnet hooked up or painted the base but u can still get a fair idea of how its going to come together. If anyone wants to have a look let me know and i will post it up on u tube today

    I have ordered a PMA for my project. I decided on a windblue 540 as it seemed the most efficient at low revs. U got any info on those I could use?

  193. Hey Rob . If the big wheel is fixed, stationary, it could be also steel, like the small wheels.And the idea is to not have a heat build up, will be no friction, the electromagnets will work the same way as on the maglift train.
    No lubrication needed, or not much, if it is build the right way.Small details, and all have to work together.
    But I let you know how it goes when I build it.

  194. Hey Gilgamesh, thanks and i hope you get to build the motor. I did forget to ask one thing on the motor. Are the small wheels made of steel or are they magnets? I could’nt figure out how the electro mags would make steel wheels move without pulling the wheels off the large wheel and if the springs were real strong at holding them to the large wheel then there would be alot of friction and heat buildup. Ill look forward to hearing from you on the PMA, remember, real good plan for low rpm and 48v. I thought i would have heard from Fritz on this but i guess he is on vacation.

  195. Hey Rob.I know it may take some work to build the plan I E-mailed to you, and may need to build a few different version of it also, to find the most efficient working version. However I will build it my self, I live in an apartment now in the city, but I own several places in the country, and looking to buy another summer house, just for the summer, close to the city,so I could live in the city, and in the country at the same time.So I will be able to work on different things, like you are doing now. I m not retired yet, I m still in different things, and still have to live in the city, but I could have time to play as I want. I hope you have success building the 48v PMA. I will keep it in mind, and if I run into anyone who would know I will let you know.

  196. Hey Gigamesh. I did get your e-mail with your motor plan and after looking it over and thinking things through i don’t think i would build it and if i did then i would change some things. As a machanic i have learned over the years the the less moving parts in any machine the better. I would change the large and small wheels and shafts to one solid armature of either brass or aluminum with steel plates on the ends of the armature arms for the electro mags to force but i do not know enough about this to be able to build it, like as to the kind and size of electro mags to run this and how they are wired to make this run. I am good at fixing, building, and following plans and instructions, reading meters and building my own inventions but i don’t have the know how to just from scratch build some electronic device, if i tried, there would be third degree burns, flipped breakers, and the fire department putting my shop fire out. I am just looking for a real good PMA plan that will put out high watts at low rpm’s for my wind generator or if my new mag motor works then i could put the PMA on it. In case anybody has’nt heard of a PMA, it is a permanent magnet alternator. I have built three, one is a three phase and it runs the smoothest but does not put out as much as the two single phase units but they take more to run. I have been told to stay away from 12 and 24v systems and only go with 48v. I do not know how to build a 48v PMA. I need help. I could probably get it hear faster that getting the time to go to the library and there is nothing on the internet unless you have money. If anybody can help me it would be great.

  197. Hi Rob.
    I E-mailed the plan, let me know if you got it. I never build it, I m not very good at building things.
    If you think you can build it, be careful, dont want you to break your arm or hand, this is not like building a small
    magnetic motor.

  198. Hi Rob.
    I can e-mail you my plan, I was going to post it here, but I think it can not be done
    I E-mailed Ovidiu, ask him if he would post it here, but he never E-mailed me back, maybe he never got it.
    My design is not exactly a magnetic motor, but if it will work it could power your house, your farm ,your car.I thinkit will work, I design it over 50 years ago, but I never build it, and we dont know how it works until somebody build it and try it. If you want to look at it, send me an E-mail , and I will send it to you.
    [email protected]

  199. I have more than one project going here and i have come to a dead end on this one. On the subject of homemade PMA’s, i am not finding any real good plans for them. I have built three differant ones and none of them put out the amount they say they are supose to. The 3 phase runs the smoothest but the single phase puts more out but it takes more to run it. Is there a real good one out there? Also i have been told by a battery company to stay away from the 12 or24v systems because they generate to much heat, go with only 48v system that way you get high volts and watts and low amps. Not sure how that works and not sure how to build a 48v PMA. Any info?

  200. Gene,
    If you can’t find soft iron/wrought iron than you can go buy a coil or relay from an electronics shop and rewind if you need to. I needed 6 volt DPDT relays for a model and went out and bought 12 volt units and rewound them. Worked a treat.

    The power of an electro-magnet is determined by the product of the amps and the number of windings. Roughly speaking if you double the amps and double the windings you’ll get 4 times the power. For a given coil if you double the voltage you’ll double the amperage and that doubles the power too. Of course more amps means more heat.

    Do you know Ohm’s law? R = V/I I use it for all my model circuits.

    Also remember a 12volt power supply may be current limited and so will trip or blow a fuse. A 12 volt battery (say from a car) can put out enough amps (many hundreds) to blow a poorly designed circuit to vapour – so I used to always run batteries through fuses.

  201. Some inspiration…Harry Romano (Patent #6194978; Interrupt Modulation) went to the Netherlands to discuss the Yildiz Motor. Renault purchased the Permanent Magnet Motor for $5M. In the demo, it ran for 2 days, uninterrupted and unaided, putting out 200 watts (12v x 16 amps). It is completely mechanical. Harry’s website is http://www.harryromamo.com for further legitmacy. Don’t just show it on YouTube, cash in.

  202. Hi Fritz

    Thanks heaps for that info.

    I have done quite a bit of research into soft iron and it is definitley the stuff to use so top points for filling me in with that one.

    MY mothers partner owned a foundary for many years and i have got him onto trying to get me some. Not so easy in Australia apparantely.

    From the information in have found on it with its magnetic permiability, etc etc it seems to behave much the same as “mu metal” and “magnet sheild”. Therefore im wondering if those less emf people in the states might sell it. Whats your thoughts on that or do u know where i can get it?

    I hear u with the smoking mess (chuckle), thats what i was worried about. I suppose i could put a resistor in line if it get too mega. 12volt seemed a good place to start becasue thats what the generator will be producing, and most of the components are easily sourced. Have u got a better alternative for supply current?

    Also, is the strength of the magnet related to the current or the voltage?

    Chat Soon


  203. Gene,
    I thought I had posted a reply to your Mar 26 post – evil gremlins at work it seems.

    “By soft iron is that the same as cast iron?” – no, has to be soft iron, sometimes referred to as wrought iron.

    “Also, can u stop the back current spike with diodes?” I used condensers (capacitors) for some trials I did with big coils but for small coils you may not need anything.

    “Can it be supplied with 12v and if so what do u need as far as supply electronics?” – depends on how many amps it draws. If you know Ohm’s law you can work out what will happen.

    Just go for it and clean up the burning mess afterwards…LOL

  204. Hi Gene.
    On march the 15 we bought a brand new printer, canon 3 in one.
    But I have a problem posting my drawings here with it.
    I guess I have to take the printer back next week, and get one that works.

  205. Hey Fritz
    Thats eactly the info i was looking for.
    By soft iron is that the same as cast iron?
    Also, can u stop the back current spike with diodes?
    I have to run the switching mechanism with a reed valve which would be sensitive to sparking but i suppose i could use relays.
    I will only be on for about 0.1 of a second every second so shouldnt heat up too much.
    Can it be supplied with 12v and if so what do u need as far as supply electronics?
    Tell me more

  206. Gene,
    What questions do you have about electro magnets?
    The power of a magnetic coil (around the metal core) is a function of the current and the number of turns. The more current and the more turns the more magnetic power you get. If you power a coil for too long they get hot. As the power gets dissipated in the coil you have to keep an eye on how hot it can get.
    The core has to be soft iron (not steel in any form) if you want maximum efficiency.
    When you switch large coils on and off you get significant sparking across switches. Turning the power off to a coil cause the magnetic field to collapse which produces a reverse current in the wire with a potentially high voltage.

  207. Gene, i just can not seem to find any plans except from that tesla secret site that costs 47$ and the secret kept hidden for 100 years by the government but has been leaked out now. Ya right! I down loaded those plans a while ago and all it was is the life history of tesla and a very bad photo of the generator that i could’nt even read and not much as for instructions. Oh well.

  208. Hey Rob
    yeah – i saw those tesla plans. Saw a guy on a video rekons he can get 7kw out of one. Not sure about that. Those magnets4power idiots got in trouble for trying to sell patented plans for a Berini (or Bernini or whoever that tesla era guy was) generator and now they changed them to that Tesla generator set. Guarantee u can have enough power to charge a mobile phone – yeeeee haaaaa, the world energy crisis is solved, lol.
    The idea is sound though. Thats how aerials work and the radio amp increases the electrical signal picked up.
    Therefore i suppose if u had a big enough aerial you could do something.
    The video was talking about bursts of energy from solar flares compressing the earths magnetic field and evidently this large aerial and tesla coil combination was able to produce 7kw by harnessing this somehow.

  209. HI Gilgamesh
    Sure mate. Post the plans up on this web and i will have a look at them.
    Always keen for some new ideas and i will hve at crack at making one if it sounds good.
    Also be good for everyone to have some more theories to start debating.

    Putting all the rotational mechanism together today. Can u put pictures on this site or is it better to link to u tube?

    All i need now is a flux capacitor now to get the delorian/magnet motor up to 88miles/hour.

    Where has Dan gone?

    I presume by the lack of input that nobody knows how to make an electro magnet? Have got a crude plan but i thought someone might have an awesome one.

  210. HI Gilgamesh
    Sure mate. Post the plans up on this web and i will have a look at them.
    Always keen for some new ideas and i will hve at crack at making one if it sounds good.
    Also be good for everyone to have some more theories to start debating.

    Putting all the rotational mechanism together today. Can u put pictures on this site or is it better to link to u tube?

    All i need now is a flux capacitor now to get the delorian/magnet motor up to 88miles/hour.

    Where has Dan gone?

  211. Hey, has anybody ever built one of those Tesla generators, the kind that has the copper tubing for a antana…however you spell that and pulls power out of the air? Looks like a great lightning rod to me or at least that would be my luck. If not then i will be off for a while untill i see how my new mag motor works out or not. Ha,Ha

  212. Hi Gene.
    I think,I have some ideas for your zero point energy device.
    First you have to create a zero point, by eliminating gravity, and distance.
    However, you will not really eliminating gravity, but lock it in the zero point.
    As you lock in the gravity, you could also magnify it, tens of thousands of times.
    With a small amount of electromagnetic energy you can convert this magnified gravity energy into usable electricit

    LOL. I just made this all up, I m just kidding. But I thought you might like the theory.
    However I could send you my design for a motor, or post the plans here if somebody would be interested to build it.
    You never know, it may work, I think it will have a good chance, that it will work.

  213. Hi Geoff
    Absolutely agree 100%
    My device would have to self power and run for at least 24hrs before I would get exited.
    Flow would be generator – capacitor – electro magnet.
    Will just run it from charged capacitor to begin and see how long it lasts

  214. Gene,
    Better to ignore the ZPE and just call it what it is. Wind energy is wind energy. Solar energy is solar energy. Magnetic power (what ever that is or isn’t) is what it is.

    I never set out to divide the camp based on who is wrong or right. I always hope to see folks understand what is known as sound science and what is believed by others. People get very defensive in this area of science. I am debating a few folks on YouTube who are absolutely convinced they have demonstrated over-unity but their measurements are appalling inadequate. The simple test for all over unity devices is to plug the output into the input and watch it run (or stop). Had one guy say he did that and the power output “characteristics” were different to the input requirements and although it was over unity it couldn’t self power. Can’t progress with people who think that way. Cheers and keep up the fun.

  215. Hi Geoff
    Wasnt a typo. I probably just dont understand how to put the terms in a gramatically correct sense. I m not expecting to get ZPE or over unity or whatever u want to refer to it as but i am extremely interested to see exactly what DOES happen in controlled conditions with a well tooled up device.
    Then i can get on here and call a spade a spade and i suppose i will either be having a beer with Dan and Rob and not talking to you, or having a beer with u and not talking to Dan and Rob (chuckle)

  216. Hi Rob.
    Sorry, i probably didnt write that correctly.
    What i meant was i was going to use the alternator from a wind generator as the power generating unit for the mag motor to feed back to the electro magnet (not to actually build a wind genny).
    So yep, i suppose i am cheating (lol) by using an electro magnet but in total its probably going to cost between $400 and $500 so if at the end of the day if i didnt have something that at least spins i think my wife would have me sleeping in the workshop with the magnet motor.
    What i thought is at least i have some adjustment and can measure inputs vs outputs etc so i will know if there is a chance of overunity (rather than a massive no show with an all magnet motor if i didnt do something right).
    I dont have any accurate plans but i have researched this inside out and i am putting together the best of a coupla designs i have seen. Spiral of outer magnets is basically a Harry Sprain.

  217. Gene,
    Quote: “Reason being is that i can definitely get that to spin and can then can at least measure how close it comes to zero point energy and start experimenting.”

    I hope the “zero point energy” was a typo. Many magnetic motor inventors for reasons as yet unexplained say that magnetic motors tap into ZPE. This is not possible and I think it is just a bunch of words to give magnetic motors some mystical credibility. ZPE is yet to be fully understood and yet numerous inventors claim they use it to power their magnetic and other devices. Best to leave possible sources of motive force out of it. $0.02

  218. Hey Gene i forgot about the wind generator that you said you were going to stick with right now. I am building a vertical wind generator right now but the thing you have to look at is if you have enough wind all the time to do what you want, even if all you want to do is run a few things in your home it will be more expencive to run them off of it than to stay on the grid. I do not know how much batteries are there but here they are way expencive now. Just buying the batteries alone kills any savings you would have had on your power bill. All i am building mine for is to power a few things in my green house and to have for some emergency power along with my gas generator. I live in Utah, Sandy Ut, thats part of the Salt Lake valley and the wind blows alot but there are days that there is nothing or just a small breeze and every night there is nothing unless there is a storm coming. I called a battery company here and asked about bateries and the guy said he would’nt even sell me a battery untill i knew what my generator put out. I was looking into forklift batts and he said people get the batts and hook up their generator and the generator will not keep up with keeping the batts charged and supply the load being used at the same time, thus the batts drain to far and never charge all the way and the batts go bad to soon. So there are things to look at as you build, especially the cost. Rob

  219. Hey Gene, I went into the net yesterday and found the same site on the shielding and it has what i think will help me alot. Sounds like your going to become a quitter on the mag motor, going to cheet and feed power into it. Im just kidding, have fun. I have decided that i will not get my motor to run any better than it does and so i am going to design a totally new and differant motor using both magnets and the shielding differant, if it works it works if not oh well, just try something differant. You might want to look at what Fritz told Gilgamesh on the electro mags before you go to far, unless you have some fantastic idea that will give you good over unity. Do you? Im going to stick to the mag motor for now. Who knows, maybe some day you will see a mag motor powered fan at WallMart. Ha,Ha

  220. Hi Every 1.
    Sheilding guys got back to me yesterday.
    I am going to presume by their short answer that they get askd this question all the time.
    Here is email thread

    Hi Gene,

    It is not possible.
    You can shield a magnet, see MagnetShield http://www.lessemf.com/mag-shld.html#274 but you cannot get free energy from a magnet.

    Emil DeToffol
    Less EMF Inc.
    809 Madison Ave.
    Albany NY 12208 USA
    tel: +1-518-432-1550
    —– Original Message —–
    From: Gene Fewings
    To: [email protected]
    Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 3:22 AM
    Subject: which product do i need?

    Not the most elaborate of responses

    Suns out so have been back at work. Decided a couple of days ago that i am going to incorporate an electro magnet in the design. Reason being is that i can definitely get that to spin and can then can at least measure how close it comes to zero point energy and start experimenting.

    All the magnets are on sliding aluminium plate and the drive magnets are also on adjstable arms. I am basing it on the Kawai spiral which seems to be the way to go according to the gurus.

    Using 3/4 chrome hydraulic shaft and steel bearing and housings for the central spindal. Aluminium was too hard to find for shaft material and ceramic bearings were too expensive so i have made the base out of an old wooden table top thats about 1.3metres across to get some distance. Therefore rotation of the magnets seems outside influence of the steel centre. Checked it out with a bucket of water with floating magnets and didnt seem to have effect at that distance. Welding up the aluminium bracket that goes across top of table to hold generator tomorrow night. Probably still be about 10 days before i get it to rotation stage. Looks awesome with all the metal bits polished up.
    Probably going to use a wind generator at this stage for power because of efficiency. Any other ideas?
    Also, have no idea how i am going to make the single electro magnet. Any help or ideas with that would be great too. Will stick up some pics this weekend if any1 is interested in seeing construction along the way.

    Also, I just wanted to add this note. I am not sure what to expect from the design. I am not claiming that i will definitely get over unity. I am just interested to see if it comes within a mile of it. Even if it is a massive fail i have still got some thing that looks supa cool in the workshop that customers can ask about and i can have all these educated responses about zero point energy experiments, etc etc and sound like i know what im talking about (chuckle). After all, having a bit of fun is the main goal.
    Chat Soon

  221. Gilgamesh,
    Quote: “I think, it would be much easier to use electromagnets, than trying to use shielding. And it could be a much more powerful motor, than a magnet motor…”

    Electromagnets can be used to make a “magnet motor” rotate but (there always is a but…) the power out of the device is equal to the power supplied to the electromagnet less all the losses. The magnetic rotor actually just acts like a fly wheel and contributes nothing to the overall output. Once you get a rotor spinning fast enough you can draw bursts of high energy (i.e. if it is powering a generator) and people often quote the high volts and amps as the overall power output. Yippee OVERUNITY! they shout Unfortunately if you rig a power meter to the input and out the truth hits home. The magnetic rotor merely stores the energy as does any fly wheel and there is no net gain.

    The bottom line is doing the experiments and learning. The journey is what counts.

  222. Hi Rob.
    I think, it would be much easier to use electromagnets, than trying to use shielding.
    And it could be a much more powerful motor, than a magnet motor. Electromagnets can lift a train, and move it 500 miles an hour along the rails. It would be very hard to get usable electricity from a magnet motor, but it could be build, with shielding, like a lot of people did it, but it is only good for fun.

  223. Thanks Fritz, you told me some things i needed to know and it just confirmed my thinking on the way we are building these motors. My motor runs but not the way it needs to to be of any real use. I am going to abandon my motor and go with a whole differant design. The mags are going to be a differant shape set in the rotor differant so that shielding can be used in a much more efficient way. Sorry for getting a little snippy with you, i just do not like being told what i can and cannot do, maybe it was the fact that when i was a kidd i always got told no. It’s something i still have a problem with even at my age. After i get more info on the shielding i will probably be gone for a while, while i design and build my new motor. I am a machanic for a concrete pumping company and we are going into spring now here in Utah which means we start to get busy. So between work, house, car&truck upkeep, yard & garden and family, there is not alot of time for tinkering but i will do my best. Gene, please get back to us on the shielding. Rob

  224. Rob,
    As I stated magnets lose strength for specific reasons and mechanical knocks etc is what causes the cheap ones to do exactly that as you describe. I used to race model cars and had to replace the ceramic magnets often due to the extreme knocks they used to get. My previous post about magnets losing their power was specifically about neodymium types – these have a very low rate of “aging” and as my research revealed they are stated as losing 1% strength in the first 10 years. But extreme mishandling will shorten their life – normal use won’t. Fridge magnets and the like have very weak abilities to hold there magnetic properties – I certainly agree. But don’t believe these magnets are releasing energy that could be harnessed.

    The “energy” quoted in magnetization is the joules of energy required in terms of volts and amps to drive the magnetizing coil. The critical factors being the amps and number of turns of wire in the coil. The energy pushed into a magnet is not stored for usable work but forces the magnetic domains to align. If you do a calculation on the theoretical energy release from magnets according to those on free energy websites there is enough pent up energy for a magnet to explode with the force of a bomb. And that is never going to happen.

    Imagine the energy (temperature and pressure) required to create a diamond. The energy is not stored in the diamond but was used to force the particular molecular structure to come into being. Set fire to a diamond (you can) and the energy release will be due to the carbon content, not related to that used to create it.

  225. Rob,
    The most infamous of magnetic motors “Perendev”by Mike Brady has angled magnets in both the rotor and stator. It doesn’t work. Angling the magnets does not reduce the opposing force as a magnet in a rotor moves up to pass a stator magnet. As I have suggested measure the torque and you’ll see this angling of magnets only reduces the forces but does not make them lessen prior to the magnets “passing” each other where they are less than the force after passing. Don’t take my word for it, measure it. Another test – drive the rotor with a small motor up to speed then time how long it slows down. Then do the same test in reverse. It will take the same time to slow down. Any differences will be due to experimental error.

  226. Fritz, i forgot about the mags loseing their power. I have had many as time went by get weak. I am a machanic and i use magnets all the time to pick up stuff that i have dropped or to hold tools and i will have some that get to where they wont pick up any more, refridgerator mags get to where they fall off. Dc motors after time get so they don’t run as fast as they used to. I replaced the mags in a car blower motor once and it ran like it was new. now i do not know about the neo’s but i know that mags do lose there power. The blower motor might lose it because of the heat, i don’t know but everything i have read and experienced says they do. So whats up with that?

  227. Hey Fritz, ok, i agree with what you are saying. There are alot of vid’s on the internet that show a motor with all it’s mags strait and pointing right at each other and yes that will never run, it will do exactly what you say. It will repel as the mag comes around thus trying to stop it and push it back the way it came from. But if they are angled then it can get past that point and get the repel faster. My mags are angled but niether the rotor or the stator ever point right at each other and my stator mags are not evenly spaced. Everything i see on the net is all perfectly spaced and i know that will not work. I do not know why alot of people even put theirs on the net they are so stupid. Thats why i do not to, i want it to run perfect before i do. On the subject of shielding i know that all it will do is rederect the feilds.

  228. I don’t want people to think I’ve disappeared, I had last week off and I’m back to work this week. I’m stealing a little time during my break to post this. Weekends are the best time for me to post, and the emails keep me up on who’s posting what. I currently work 12 hour days, and with everything I need to do outside with spring rolling around, having time to post here is very limited, but I will post on the weekends.

    Gene, sounds like you’re on the right track. Good work mate!

    Rob, if you can find a way to do it, exchange email addresses with Gene. Both of you have some great ideas and can help each other.

    For the rest of you, I’ll answer your comments as soon as I can.

  229. Rob,
    I’m not sure why I’m answering this because I don’t think you’ll believe it because it will contradict what you believe and what you may see on various information sources:

    Quote: “Fritz says he tried to build one years ago and he realized that it could not work. Ok tell me why.”
    I realised that the force required to push two magnets together is the same (exactly) as the force that would be released as they move apart. Therefore there is no net gain. I’ll discuss shielding later. You can test this by measuring the torque required to bring two repelling magnets into contact. The torque you measure is what will be released when they do repel. The same applies for attracting magnets.

    Quote: ” Can the expert Fritz answer shis? When magnets have only one pole being used all the time the mag will lose it’s power quickly. What will happen if you use both poles in the repel state? Will that ballance the mag out or drain it twice as fast? How long will a mag last running in the repel state all the time?”
    The magnetizing energy used to make a neodymium magnet is typically between 3 and 5 times the final strength of the magnet. Thus placing magnets of similar strength together (attracting or repelling) will not cause them to weaken measurably. Magnets in normal use lose about 1% of their strength in 10 years. Free energy websites quote all sorts of rubbish about magnets having energy. They don’t. So a magnetic motor (if you want to build one) can use magnets in repelling or attracting states and it will not shorten their life. Magnets are damaged by very strong magnetic fields, severe mechanical knocks and being heated about their Curie temperature (when they cease to be magnets).

    Quote: “For everybody else that thinks a magnetic motor is perpetual free energy, it’s not. The magnets have to be made and energized thus in a sense it is a power cell and that power cell will run down thus having to make and buy more. Not free energy.” This is one of the great magnet misconceptions. Magnets do not release any energy to drive a magnetic motor, the energy is not used up by a magnetic motor running. Thinks about how long it takes to magnetise a magnet. The very high current is applied for a fraction of a second. Yet inventors of magnetic motors then claim they draw out 10’s of kilowatts for years out of a set of magnets. The energy input to output figures are different by millions! A magnetic motor is not a perpetual motion machine because it would have to get energy from somewhere and it certainly doesn’t come from the magnetisation process. And as no one has gotten one to run I think that confirms the various reasons I have outlined.

    Shielding. All shield does is reduce and redirect the filed. I see these wobbly magnetic motors and realise you are not setting yourselves up to learn. You need a solid main bearing and you need to fix the “drive” magnet/s in place to allow you to take measurements. With (or without shielding) you find the torque required to get two magnets in a position to repel (or attract) is EXACTLY the same as the torque when they’re in a position to actually repel (or attract). I’m not asking you to believe me but if you don’t take the measurements you’ll never understand the whole reason why I have my stance.

    There are four reasons magnetic rotors slow down:
    – net force is zero in every magnetic motor thus they are really only jerky fly wheels
    – eddy current losses (i.e. heat) occur as magnets pass each other
    – bearing friction
    – air friction

    If anyone can provide sound reasoning why what I have said is wrong I’m all ears but please don’t quote rubbish from any conspiracy theory driven free energy websites…please!

  230. Hi Rob
    Yep, I agree with u. I think the sheilding is the point. I will hopefully have an answer from the magnet sheild company by later today (I will have to work on US time so i suppose when monday morning starts).
    Mumetal is a zinc alloy that is effective in the sheilding of magnetic and electro magnetic fields. Only just heard about it myself couple of days ago. According to the company that makes it and other emf sheilding barriers there is a better product out there called magnet sheild specifically for stationary magnetic fields. Should have the info on that in a few hours im hoping when they get back to me.

  231. Hey Gene, believe me i am not giving up. I have just hit a point where i can not seem to improve and perfect my motor. It runs but not the way i want it to and i think a big part of it is my shielding thats why i have been asking about shielding. I have never heard of mumetal. What is it? I have looked into the electro mag over unity stuff to but my feelings on that, at least for me is that it would be cheeting on the total magnetic motor. Your basicaly going back to the electric motor. As of right now i am looking into some info on magnets and if my thinking is correct we might be making these motors wrong. You can look at the question i just asked Fritz on magnets and see if you can come up with any answers, iam looking into it my self. I might be scrapping my motor and going back to the drawing board. Rob

  232. Hi Rob
    Dont give up mate. If u r having fun thast the main thing. I have been pooring over stuff all weekend to the point i am seeing 2 computer screens and have come to the following conclusions
    1 – im not commenting on how credible the scources are BUT, there seems to be more sucess with the “over unity” theory when an electro magnet/coil is associated with the design rather than just the magnets them selves
    2 – effective sheilding seems to be the difference between making or braking ‘all magnet motors’.

    The guy with the screws on the pvc pipe is using something that it called “the golden ratio” eviddently. I went to one site where the entire site was dedicated to replicating his design. No one managed to get it to work but there are a few patents out there using a very similar idea. Not even close enough to generating power with however.

    I would be really interested in seeing any luck u have had with sheilding. I havnt got the mu metal yet so i cant comment either way. I would be happy to give u my email if u have a video or pics u could send me of your one as im struggling a bit with the few designs ive tried.

  233. Well, i see that i am not going to gain anymore knowledge off this site, i thought i might but all i have had is Fritz calling me names like a little child and none of my questions being anewered. Fritz says he tried to build one years ago and he realized that it could not work. Ok tell me why. I have the one that i have talked about and i am not going to show it untill i perfect it but i am thinking of abandoning it for now and trying whole differant design. Can the expert Fritz answer shis? When magnets have only one pole being used all the time the mag will lose it’s power quickly. What will happen if you use both poles in the repel state? Will that ballance the mag out or drain it twice as fast? How long will a mag last running in the repel state all the time? For everybody else that thinks a magnetic motor is perpetual free energy, it’s not. The magnets have to be made and energized thus in a sense it is a power cell and that power cell will run down thus having to make and buy more. Not free energy. This is still fun to play with though. Rob

  234. In my opinion, if somebody would build a power generating device, and would manufacture , and sell it in stores, then everybody would be buying it, and installing it in their houses, and cars. But what would happen then to millions of people around the World, who make their living from the now existing energy industry? I think if something like that would happen, the World would be in chaos.

  235. Hi Geoff
    I only posted that one on u tube to have a go at putting something on u tube and to also show everybody some things i was trying.
    I agree with u totally that it would have to spin in a single plane to be of any use. I just thought i would try it like that to see if it was exposed to a greater vector of influence not restricted to 2 dimensional rotation. I was thinking this because of Dans cone balanced version.
    I also agree with u pointing out possible flaws in peoples comments and videos s it make everybody keep it real and not BS on too much as well as be accountable for what they do.

    Every1 else –
    Having said that though its AWESOME that everybody is interetsed in this principle and out there having a go so stay keen everyone and keep those minds thinking outside the square and throw any ideas or plans at me u want to.
    I got 950grams of mu metal off ebay from old cathode ray tool and its on the way now. Will be experimenting with it and some iron filings and a wooden table when it arrives in couple of days. Hopefully i will be able to see the lines of influence and help come up with some solutions. Any other ideas
    Will u tube up nylon wheel video by tomorrow arfternoon. Its raining here in Queensland Australia and because most of my business is earthmoving that means no work for me till it fines up so i will keep on having a go at different things until my enthusiasm runs out. Probably about 4 days time, ha ha
    If I get actually get something to work im not sure what ill do

  236. Can anyone tell me where I can get plans for a working magnetic motor? I have downloaded a couple of sets but they were rubbish as I couldn’t get them to work. I don’t want to waste any money. I have lots of neodymium magnets and access to a lathe if need be.

  237. I have one more question. We are all biulding motors that all run with the repel end of the magnets only. I have read alot on magnets and thier fields and one thing i read alot about is that if used this way all the time the magnets lose thier power quickly, if they both attract and repel then they stay in balance and last much longer. My question is in repel mode how long will they last? If its not very long then the cost of the magnets makes the motor not worth building unless we can come up with a way to use both poles Which as far as i can see might be impossible. I might have to play with it and see. Rob

  238. Dan (oops I mean Rob or whoever you are),
    You are a sad bunch. Post a video that isn’t obviously faked and stop the nonsense. I don’t know why you would go to so much trouble to deceive people.

    Perhaps you are part of that group of anti-intellectuals who don’t believe the broader established scientific community actually does know its stuff. Ever notice that no one has ever had a paper published on a working magnetic motor in a reputable scientific journal? There are a few patented magnetic motors that curiously have never made it to production. The US patent office no longer approves patents for these devices so scammers, oops I mean inventors have to get go overseas shopping for some patent officer silly enough to grant one.

    I’ve said this before – how come you can’t even buy a toy version? I’m sure it would sell in the billions as it would be the only perpetual motion toy in the universe.

    I have been studying this stuff way longer than you and know for a fact that magnetic motors can’t work.

    I suggest if anyone is trying to build one you make one with a decent bearing system. The wobbly system being shown on these recent videos is rubbish. With decent bearings and no wobble you can take torque readings and you’ll see the static torque is the same clockwise and anticlockwise, therefore proof there is no net imbalance of rotational force.

    I am very patient and will have the last laugh.

  239. Hey Dan, i have not been able to make the self start motor yet and for some reason i can’t seem to get into your videos. If i click on them or type them in i just get told that the video is not on file or could not be found. I must be doing something wrong. Thanks, Rob

  240. Hey Fritz, you must have a bad conection on your line because there is alot of static coming from you. When i have a fully working motor then i might think of sharing but untill then there is not much of a point in doing so. Also from now on i will only talk to those that are having fun with this and working to make the magnetic motor a reality.

  241. Rob,
    I made one years ago and realised then why they would never work. I’m surprised you’d lie about making a working version unless you and Dan are in on the joke. You see anybody who gets a working magnetic motor wouldn’t be wasting their time posting about it. They would take a working version to a large corporation with their lawyer in tow and be rich beyond belief. I just don’t get why you would bother to lie about it. You want to be a hero to the free energy “believers” I imagine. You and Dan are truly sad cases.

  242. Hi All
    Just wanted to give u a quick update of some of the latest developments.
    To eliminate friction i managed to mount my cd on a spindle on top of a sub woofer magnet.
    The magnet in the woofer stops it from toppling over through repulsion. It spins for a really long time after starting by hand but the plane can change too easily when applying the drive magnet but not enough to get it too fall off. I have never done a u tube video but will give it a go in a minute and postt it up here.
    I am going to have a play with the drive magnet set up and make it like the one in the brass wheel u tube version that dan sent me (u know the one dan with the adjustable magnets on top).

    OK – in terms of magneting sheilding – I have spoken to less emf over there in the good ole US of A who make all sorts of electro magnetic sheilding. They also make sheilding for normal magnets. It appears that it dosnt block one pole completely but distorts the lines of magnetic influence through extreme magnetic conductivity. Mu-metal, while a good sheild is not the ultimate in sheilding for the purposes we are all looking for. They are getting back to me on the effectiveness of another product after having a look at a photo i sent them.
    I will let u know what the answer is straight up coming from the experts.

    In terms of magnet supply I have got on to two really good manufacturers here in Australia. One is only 20kms from me so that was a real good break. They do custom stuff too so if any body needs anything cheap let me know.
    I purchased a plan from the guy who made the hungarian one (only $11 so dont panic about scaming everybody, ha ha). easy to build but needs manets of unusual polarity shape. Will find out tomorrow when magnet place is open and let u all know if they can be made.
    Also waiting on an email back from inventor to confirm a few things.

    Just to let u all know i am going to be upfront and honest about what i find out from the people who are dealing with these sorts of materials all the time.
    Should be interesting.
    Im going to have a chop at the brass wheel design tomorrow but with nylon wheel.
    And, yes yes. im interested in plans. If Dan is getting them too can u forward them on to me mate. Thanks.

    Chat Soon

  243. Rob, don’t let Geoff’s comments get to you. Chances are he thinks he’s trying to help, and you have to give him credit for that. It may seem he’s slamming everyone, but he might not know a better way to get people’s attention with that. Do like I do most of the time, shake your head, chuckle and keep on going.

    Having a system like the one you described is a very good start. Even if you have to spin it by hand to get it going, that’s great! Progress, no matter what other people say, is still progress. Take pride in what you’ve managed to do with it.

    Gilgamesh, I would love to see a copy of those plans myself. If you don’t mind, would you email me a copy, please? I’ve had an interest in Alchemy for a while, I just never had the time to really dig into it. Thanks!

    Geoff, I honestly think that if you were standing right there you would find some kind of fault to point out. But I do think you are doing a good service by pointing them out. I can assure that the only reason the smoke came into view was because the furnace turned on and being a forced air system it caused the air to move. Besides, if I was using something to move the air the smoke would have been totally sideways, not just a wisp passing through.

  244. Hey G Fritz, you can say anything you want and your not going to bother or stop me from working on this. My question is this, Why are you on this and just cutting every body down? Are you making one your self and don’t want anybody to beat you? Go for it! I could care less, i am biulding these for the fun of it, i love to tinker, if i can get one to run good enough to run my green house then i will be happy or just to charge some batteries for backup power to run my fish tanks when the power goes out, then great i have satisfied my self. I am not going to put any photos on untill i have a good working motor. Right now mine is very crude, its made of wood and my shielding is just galvanised pipes cut to size and 1/8 thick steel bars in a v shape inbetween each mag. Thats all i did and it runs the bike generator, i do have to start it but it runs afterwards, i have not been able to make a self starter yet and maybe i never will, who knows? I will just keep collecting all the info i can and keep tinkering. Gene, i hope i told you what you wanted to know on the shielding, thanks for your help. Rob

  245. Hi Gene.
    I guess you love to build these things, and waiting for your u tube stuff.
    After you finish building the big one, and if you be interested, I could send you my own design for a power plant, that is not a magnetic motor. When I designed it it looked like a Djed, so I call it a Djed power plant. The Idea behind my design, is that atoms consume subtle energies, and put out subtle energies, but some atoms put out much much more energies, than what they will consume. A few alchemists would know, what I m talking about. It is not very difficult to build one, but I dont have a work shop, and my wife would not be happy ,if I use her kitchen in the apartment as my workshop. But I will send you the plan for it whenever you are ready.
    Let me know if you are interested.

  246. Hi Rob
    I did track down some mu metal but like the magnets its prohibitively expensive.
    U said u had some success with sheilding magnets. What are u currently using as sheild material?
    Chat Soon

  247. Rob,
    You’re kidding me. A magnetic motor won’t work regardless of the size of the magnets.

    Quote: “I have made a small motor that will turn a bicycle headlite generator but at first it would not turn the generator because i did’nt have any shielding around the magnets.”

    If you have a working magnetic motor then post a video.

    You are being deceived. Mark my words.

    There is no such thing effective magnetic shielding. A shield has to be magnetic and it thus merely reduces the magnetic strength.

    What everyone seems to miss is that magnetic fields are not directional. Thus when two magnets are brought together in a magnetic motor the force of propulsion is the same (measured as torque on the shaft) whether the motor is turned clockwise or anti-clockwise. Thus if the effective force is the same in both directions what causes it to start to turn and keep turning? (Hint – nothing!)

    In a magnetic motor magnets work like springs and no one would ever think a motor could work using a series of compressing and expanding springs.

  248. Dan, I know this works because mine works but i do need better shielding and you told me to use mumetal. What is this and where do you get it from? Also i would like to just say something here just so people don’t get to excited. In order to run a generator say a 7-10k it would take a magnetic motor with rotors 8ft in diameter with the strongest magnets you can find and several rotors all on the same shaft just to turn that one generator. Thats alot of money in magnets. One example of the power it takes is this. I built my own generator to charge the batteries in my camper, it has 4 6v deep cycle batteries and i took an 8h gas engine and love joyed it to a 150amp Ford alt. At full throttle i can only get 50amps out of it, anything over that and it would kill the motor. A magnetic motor will have to be huge to run a generator that would put a load out for a home. I am not saying for us all to give up but there are not many of us that have that kind of money. Even solar and wind energy are not that good because unlles you live where the wind blows all the time or the sun is out every day the batteries kill any savings you might have had on your power bill. Batteries are not cheep anymore. If we keep working at it somebody will come up with the new working invention. Rob

  249. Hey G Fritz, Thanks but i have looked at ebay and they do not have the sizes i am looking for, everything seems to be the small stuff and i now need to go big and that is where i get stopped, the prices on them are just outragouse, it would take thousands of $ to buy them. I have made a small motor that will turn a bicycle headlite generator but at first it would not turn the generator because i did’nt have any shielding around the magnets. Thanks, Rob.

  250. Dan & all,
    Another well faked video. I assume your right hand off screen was adjusting whatever it was that caused the rotation. I suggested you place polystyrene balls or feathers around the disc so we wouldn’t suspect an air jet (the usual means to fake these) and given the way your cigarette smoke blows from the ashtray at 4:20 that is more than likely.

    Better still put a clear plastic bowl over the top (plastic doesn’t stop magnets) and get it to run.

    The trouble is I can go on suggesting more and more ways to make it more difficult to fake and there is always another way. One guy had his spinning disc mounted on a 10mm wooden rod that had a tiny electric motor concealed inside. He did it just to take the piss out of all the doubters.

    To all you folks who think it is real. Make one and you’ll see I’m right.

    This video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxReArGbE_s&feature=related was made by a guy named Mike Brady – he sold shares in his magnetic motor to over 60 German investors and curiously he is now in jail for fraud as he didn’t deliver any working magnetic motors. It is generally accepted he attaches a drive motor to the far side during the videoed start up. This “motor” has been duplicated but no one has gotten one to run.

    Haven’t any of you people asked why can’t you even buy a kit motor? They would sell in the 100s of millions as desktop toys. Surely some enterprising Chinese company would do that, yet no.

  251. Hi Everybody
    Just wanted to give u an update on cd version 1. The friction of the cd motor, even though small may have been too much to replicate dans working model.
    I am going to get a lawn mower balancing cone today and try again.
    Have been emailing with dan who is super helpful so should have some good results soon.
    Also, will be having a go at this whole over unity thing using a 6volt feed to the cd motor and the cd itslef driving an old vhs head-motor and will check the output to see if there is markable variation.
    Also, to put your minds at ease, Dan isnt selling anything so there is no scams to be had. He is just a like minded person to us all getting a kick out of the same stuff.
    Regardless of the functionality of it all i have been having a great time throwing all this stuff together. Stand by for some u tube stuff soon

  252. Ok, so since some people made the point of saying, “The disc was running when you started recording. Fail!” I thought I’d make another video using my webcam instead of the hand held camera. This is from start to finish, the disc isn’t spinning when I start recording, but it is by the time I’m done.


    Since this is my last day of vacation I had the time to make this, but if you want another video it will have to wait until next weekend since I don’t normally have time during the week to spend making videos.

    • Hi Dan,

      I think it’s one of the few times I intervened in this discussion, but I have to say the video you showed us here today is quite convincing. Don’t know about the others, I’ve been following your “chat” on this article day after day, but nobody reached a conclusion yet or presented a video such as yours.
      If your video is 100% real, please do us a favor and shoot another one showing us for how long the disc can keep spinning. This is big stuff… give us the exact plans you used, so people can replicate your success.

      All the best,

  253. In my opinion, you can build the magnetic motor that will spin by itself. But I would like to see, If Gene can build one, that actually produce usable electricity continuously. And if that can be done, somebody would of done it a hundred years ago.

  254. Wow, am I ever so glad you paid attention to comments I made on the video. The first thing to point out is that the magnets I was using to spin the cd with were NOT stationary. It is very difficult to get it spinning while holding the magnets by hand. Having to get the correct angle and distance is not easy to do by hand. Secondly, when I tried to get it to spin again I wasn’t able to. Why? Because I didn’t have the correct angle or distance. It did, however, start to move on its own. I made a comment about that even pointing out it was going the opposite way, but that didn’t matter.

    Gene, the more resistance you have the stronger the magnets need to be. Try to find something with as little resistance as possible, even lubricating it if needed.

    Geoff and whoever G Fritz is, I’m glad you’re concerned about Gene and point out the possibility of being scammed. Very noble of you. You missed an opportunity to try and prove that, though. You could have sent an email to me saying you were Gene and then see what happened. What is it that you say? Oh yeah, fail.

    However I’m not out to scam anybody, so to that end I will simply put the information I was going to email Gene here.

    This is a 3D model that was made to show how the assembly should look when it’s completed.


    This is a copy of the international patient of the Perendev Magnetic Motor that gives more detailed information on the design.


    This is a video somebody made of a completed unit. You’ll notice that he gives a full view all around the unit and that there are no wires or other outside sources to move the core. Rob, the question you had about shielding the magnetic field is answered here in the video. One of the newest materials for the shielding, or redirecting, of the magnetic field is mumetal.


    I hope this information is helpful to those that are interested in this. The rest of you, please find fault with it, that seems to be what you’re best at doing. 🙂

    Oh, and as a side note, I expected the skeptical comments. They don’t bother me at all, I’m used to them.

  255. Rob,
    You can get neodymium magnets via eBay really cheaply. That way you won’t feel so bad when it doesn’t work. Regarding shielding – all a shield does is reduce the magnetic strength. Nothing will works as a shield to accomplish the impossible state whereby there is a reduced repulsion as the magnets approach each other. There is a lot of waffle on free energy sites about shielding, and it is all hogwash. Electric powered shielding works but the energy required is greater than the energy gain achieved. It is a pointless exercise.

  256. Gene,
    Quote: “Couldnt get the cd version to run. I mounted it on an old dvd drive using rare earth magnets. Any hints?”

    I’m glad you posted that. You won’t get any help from Dan. He is probably going to scam you so be careful.

  257. The video starts with the rotor already spinning. Fail
    When you attempt to start it again it doesn’t. Fail

    The video shows nothing to suggest anything other that you spun the rotor by hand, started videoing it and then stopped it spinning before it had a chance to run down.

    You’ll have to try better than that.

  258. Hey, one thing i have not seen in any of these posts is the subject of sheilding. The magnets will just attract to each other in-between the repel position and come to a stop. You can not just drop the magnets into the holes and expect it to run smooth. Also i have not been able to find magnets of a large size without paying for them with a few body parts. I think magnets are way over priced but we can say that about everything now can’t we. If you can get them at a good price let me know. Thanks, Rob.

  259. Gene,

    I wish there was a way for us to communicate directly, I have some information for you to look at while you’re considering building the magnetic motor. Aw forget it, I’ll give you my secondary email account even though I’m sure I’ll get a ton of other people responding.

    [email protected]

    Just make sure you let me know who you are in the subject so I won’t delete it by mistake. I’ll email you something you’ll find very useful.

    Oh, and for the moderators that review this message, please it go through. The email address I’ve given isn’t a major one to me so I’m not concerned about others having it.


  260. Dan,
    Oh so predictable. The video starts and it is already spinning. Then curiously you can’t get it to start again.

    Here is what happened. You have never built one of these before – you never built a working 5hp version.

    This little model on the video got spun by hand and then you hold the magnet near it. Then start the video. You let it run for a few seconds as the flywheel effect keeps it going long enough. We can’t notice a speed drop in such a short spell with that video quality

    You stop it then give us some story why it won’t start.

    Why didn’t you use the air jet just off screen that some folks do?

    The only way to video these things is have them started by the magnet, place polystyrene balls or feathers etc around (to eliminate the possibility air jet assistance) and to dismantle it. Then someone else has to duplicate it independently.

    So call me what you will but you and I know that wasn’t a working magnetic motor.

  261. Hi Dan
    Got too keen after your last video and just pulled apart an old dvd player we had. Has got a really good frame and spindle to mount the cd on. Only question is – the drive motor its mounted on has a slight resistance to turning (not much but a little). Do u think this small resistance may stop it turning with the magnets?
    Thanks again

  262. Hi Dan and everybody else
    Wow, that video got me even more enthusiastic to do it now.
    I might throw a cd version together while im waiting for the parts for the big one.
    Did u glue magnets top and bottom of the cd? it appeared so on the video.
    Im loving this web site. Its heaps of fun reading everybodys comments.
    Full points to Dan for putting the video up
    I will put up a video when i get the big one going

  263. Ok, here it is, the video that was requested.


    I went to the local hardware store and bought the magnets I used. I didn’t really want to wait for an order from an online source, and these worked just fine for what I needed them for. Plus I needed some more magnets for the refrigerator to hold pictures with. 🙂

  264. One more comment. I doubt putting up a video of the working unit would do any good. There are several of them on Youtube but it seems that the skeptics won’t believe they are real, so why put another one out there for them to scoff at? Besides, having spent a large amount of money in solar power for my home, I had no need for the unit. I had used it for what I wanted, so I gave it to a friend at work that is far more interested in developing it than I am.

  265. Why Geoff, I’m not surprised you would bring that into the conversation. How did I measure the hp? It’s very simple, really. I used a dynamometer connected to the output shaft and slowly increased the load until the wheel stopped, then reset it and increased the load until the wheel was still spinning but not stalled.

    It stalled out at 15hp on the first test, almost stalled out at 10hp. With reducing the load to 5hp it still worked fine with no slowing down. 7hp slowed it down some, but not to the point that it was in danger of stalling out.

    Now, to measure the RPM I used a hand held “spin” gauge and placed it against the wheel while it was running. The gauge measures up to 5,000 RPM.

  266. Hi Geoff,

    I didn’t make a video of the project, I just did it for research.

    I hadn’t thought of the CD idea, thanks I’ll do that. I’ve got a Metallica CD around here I can use.

    I will point out that I had only heard of the magnetic decay thing, I never said I believed it or had looked into it. Even if this is correct, and even if the magnets last at least 20 years, it will be more than enough time to use them without any problems.

    I’ll be going to the store tomorrow to get the needed magnets and build the CD demo. What will you say when it works? I can only wonder.

  267. Gilgamesh,
    Notice no more comments from Dan. He was lying about having made a 7hp version. Why can’t anyone see the truth?

  268. Geoff Fritz.
    I m sure, you will loose the bet. And I hope, not one, but maybe a few hundred people will take you up on your bet.

  269. Gene,
    I have yet to see an factual article confirming this often stated “magnets decay” story – it is often quoted by magnetic motor believers as some sort of argument (proof?) that the motors get their energy from the magnets. There are several figures quoted, 20 years, 100’s of years and 400 years. All made up of course. Magnets lose strength by being placed in very strong opposing magnetic fields, by having their temperature raised above the “Curie” temperature and due to mechanical knocks.

    Magnetic motors have magnets of equal strength thus any talk of decay is unsupported.

    I can’t understand why people express concerns about magnets losing their strength after 20 -400 years when no one has ever got one magnetic motor to run at all, let alone minutes.

    Just to make this whole debate more interesting are we willing to take a few side bets as to whether either of you two will get a magnetic motor to work?

  270. Dan,
    Quote: “… I can say that the one wheeled unit I made was able, when up to speed of about 1,500 rpm, provide 7 hp.”

    How did you measure the 7hp?

    If you have already made one post a video on YouTube.

  271. Dan,
    You can make a model for less than $10. Magnets are cheap on eBay and you use an old CD drive for the rotor. You’ll find it doesn’t work in about 5 minutes.

  272. Dan,
    Quote: “Statement 2 is also correct. The idea of using magnets as opposing forces to push each other works. The variable rate is based on how close the stationary frame is to the wheel.”

    Magnets do work as opposing forces to push each other, but getting the magnets into that position requires as much force to be overcome as is gained. Therefore zero output overall.

    Statement 2 is 100% wrong.

  273. Hi Dan
    6am here but prob afternoon there, so good afternoon to you too.
    Thats interesting about the decaying magnets. I have already tracked down the rare earth magnets on ebay so thats sweet. Understandably the magnets decay over time. One question I do have however is – Does the operation of the motor aid in the decay of the magnets ie, is the breakdown of the magnets the “fuel” if u like for the motor?
    Obviously if it took them 20yrs to break down then no its not but my question is would constant operation of the motor break them down in 1 year for example?
    Thanks again for your help.

  274. Afternoon Gene,

    I made a goof with my directions, happens when I get distracted sometimes. For the outside sections, only put 5 magnets at the bottom and 5 at the top. Leave the middle section empty or the wheel will stall.

    For the decaying magnets thing, magnets are said to lose their field over time. This depends on what they are made out of. The rare earth magnet is supposed to last at least 20 years, that’s why I suggested using them. Now, keep in mind that with that information I’m only going by what I was able to find online and not personal experience.


  275. Hi Dan
    Thank you very much for such a detailed response. I really appreciate it. I have been hunting round yesterday getting the materials together.
    I probably dont want to put a generator on it at this stage – just to get it to spin would be great.
    Having had much to do with electrical generation,( more with the application of pre-existing ideas than the study of the physics involved) I have been following theories around magnet motors for quite a while. While not 100% clear on the idea of the “decaying magnetic feild” that i keep hearing about i have decided its about time to try this out for myself.

    Hi Geoff
    I can hear where u are coming from mate in regards to the principles involved in the motors operation. Not being a physisist myself though its hard to make a call either way. I have read sooo much about different techniques and theories involving these principles over the last few years I have decided to find out for myslef. I also know that everywhere I have got in life has come from “having a go”.
    Also, because the whole project will be lucky to cost me $100 to $200 and i have all the gear to put it together I thought why not. One of my excavators i use to dig dams for the hydro units i install broke a track yesterday, that $5000 worth in repairs. Therefore whats $100 and a bit of fun and optimism while all this wet weather and flooding we are having here in Queensland-Australia is stopping me from working.

    Chat Soon


  276. Good morning Geoff. 🙂

    Statement 2 is also correct. The idea of using magnets as opposing forces to push each other works. The variable rate is based on how close the stationary frame is to the wheel.

    I am not self taught, I have a Masters in Engineering, a BA in Mechanical Principles, a BA in Plant Operations.

    For your better understanding I will try to find the time to create a smaller model of this system and video record it then find a way to post it someplace. If needed I will email it to you personally.

  277. Gene,
    You install hydro-electric systems and you would even consider the stuff from Dan to be real? I am appalled. The net forces in a magnetic motor are zero. There rotation under its own power is impossible. One observation with magnetic motors is that as the net forces are zero, it can rotate in either direction and still come to a halt after being given an initial spin. I assume Dan thinks it April 1st already.

  278. Dan,
    A very sensible response it would seem except for two of your statements:
    “There is, to my knowledge, no such thing as a perpetual motion machine of any kind.”

    “Properly applied and constructed, the magnetic motor can spin around at a variable rate, depending on the size of the magnets used and how close they are to each other. In an experiment of my own I constructed a simple magnet motor using the basic idea as shown above. It took me a fair amount of time to adjust the magnets to the correct angles for it to work, but I was able to make the wheel spin on its own using the magnets only, no external power source.”

    These two statements are contradictory. The first one is most certainly true. The second is the opposite.

    I assume you are self taught.

  279. One more thing, Gene:

    When you build the framework keep in mind that one wheel won’t be enough to turn a generator power head. You’ll need to add more wheels for that. If you do, keep them spaced 3″ or so apart. If you don’t want to build the whole framework at first, just use a sheet of 3/4″ plywood and mount everything on that with some grade 8 bolts. That will allow you to do some testing.

  280. For Gene:

    The design is fairly simple. If you look at the diagram at the top of this thread you’ll see a very basic pattern for the design of the magnetic motor. The major trick is getting the plastic sheets you’ll need, 2″ thick and 4′ diameter round.

    The next thing is to get rare earth magnets (mainly because they last much longer than standard magnets) that are 1 1/2″ in diameter and 4″ long.

    Step by step with what I did:

    Take a sheet of plastic that measures 60″ x 60″ x 2″ thick and cut a perfect circle measuring 48″ in diameter from the center of it. (You’ll need the 12″ of extra plastic from the outside later on, so don’t damage it too much. You can make a single cut from the “top” of the sheet to start your cut for the “wheel” using a heavy duty jig or saber saw.)

    In the exact center of the “wheel” drill a hole lager enough for the “output” shaft to go through.

    Using extreme care, drill the placement holes for the magnets in the edge of the wheel, 1 1/2″ diameter, 4 1/8″ deep. Don’t go any deeper, you’ll need to be sure the magnets don’t drop in too far. These holes need to be drill at a 22.5 degree angle, a trick to do unless you have a large drill press with a swivel head on it. Each hole should be 1 1/2″ apart for a total of 32 holes.

    *SIDE NOTE* When drilling the holes you will need to know if the power generator head is a clock wise or counter-clock wise rotation. If it is clock wise you will need to drill the holes with the angles going to the RIGHT. For a CCW, angel to the LEFT. Make sure you mark the “wheel” for the “Front” of it to keep it consistent when working with it.

    Next take the extra “outside” part of the sheet you have left and cut it exactly in half. Since you made the initial cut for starting the “wheel” cut, you can just use that as your point to divide the sheet.

    Place one half of the outside against the wheel and mark where the holes are that you made in the wheel on the outside piece. The idea here is to help the magnets in both the wheel and the outside sections line up correctly. Keep the same angle when marking this. Repeat this process with the other half of the “outside” section.

    Now drill the holes in the outside sections keeping the same angle. The diameter and spacing will be the same.

    Next will be setting the magnets in the holes. The biggest concern I had was worrying about the magnets coming lose while the wheel was spinning so I pressed them then used an aluminum pin going front to back across the top of the magnet. I had also used a universal contractor’s glue inside the hole for extra safety. You don’t need to worry about this on the outside sections.

    *SIDE NOTE* Be sure to have the same poles pointing outward on both the wheel and the outside sections. For example, have only the North poles pointing out. This puts the “repel” into play, such as when you try to put two north poles together, they repel each other.

    Now that the easy part is over you get to deal with the hard part. Building the framework for this to mount on.

    Since you know how to build the hydro systems, I’m sure you can figure that out with ease, but for those who don’t have that experience I prefer to use aluminum for the frame, but any non-magnetic material will do as long as it’s strong enough.

    Build a simple square (box) frame 7′ x 7′ to give enough room for the outside sections to move in and out. The “depth” or length of it will depend on how many wheels you have in it. On the ends you will need to have a shaft mount with a greasble bearing. The outside diameter of this doesn’t really matter, but the inside diameter needs to be the same size of the shaft in the wheel.

    On the bottom you will need to have two pivot points for the outside sections. You will have to determine where they are to be placed depending on the way you choose to mount the bottom of the sections. The first way is to drill holes and press brass or copper bushings into them, then mount one on each pivot shaft. (That is what I did and it worked well.) The other option is to use a clamp type mount with a hole in to go on the pivot shaft.

    Be sure the pivot point shafts can be slid in and out for easier mounting of the outside sections.

    Next you will need to have a clamp style screw assembly on the top of the outside sections. This will allow you to adjust how close or far apart they are from the wheel. I simply used a threaded rod with the same sized nuts on the top of the sections. It was a little tricky to do, but I found that having a square piece of aluminum going the length helped to stabilize the movement. Simply drill a hole in the square piece that the threaded rod can go through.

    On one end of the threaded rod put a crank handle of some kind. I just took a piece of 1/2″ stock rod and bent one end of it to give me the crank, then welded it to the rod. Simple enough.

    Now to mount the wheel on the shaft.

    Of course you’ll need a shaft big enough to support the wheel and one that will fit most generator heads. Of course you can always adapt it down if needed. I found that the best way to mount this was to have a clamp style mount that uses bolts to hold it onto the wheel and a “set bolt/screw” to hold it onto the shaft. That takes a little hunting, but I did find something at Home Depot that works. If you’re handy enough you could create one yourself.

    Now mount the wheel on the shaft away from the outside sections if possible. This will keep it from pushing back and forth on you. Once you have it mounted you need to position it in between outside sections, a tricky task. The magnets will cause the wheel to push back a little as well as try to spin. The best way to do this is with some help or some rope. Why? Because you need to hold the wheel in place while tightening the set bolt/screw.

    Now that you’re done grab a beer and take a deep breath. Soda works just as well if you don’t drink beer. The idea is to take a break.

    When you go back to this, slowly spin that crank handle on the threaded rod to draw in the outside sections. The wheel will start to spin a little. When that happens spin the crank faster. Be sure to avoid the wheel and the outside sections touching or the wheel will stop and that smell of burning plastic is a hard thing to get rid of.

    I hope that helps some Gene. If you have any other questions feel free to let me know.

  281. Just a message to dan.
    I am really interested in the whole magnet motor idea. I install hydro electric systems as part of my business so i extremely keen on any alternative energy ideas that come up. I have got a good workshop to have a go at making one so can u point me in the right direction for getting started on some plans etc.

  282. Although I’d love to get into the ongoing debate about self-taught fools and all that, I will turn to the magnetic motor misinformation given on many sites, including this one. (Everyone take a deep breath and open your mind just a crack. Read this a couple of times to make sure you understand it fully before posting a reply.)

    The idea of a magnetic motor has been around for many years. Even going back to the 1800s it was a theory that few people took part in the research in. Those that did were scoffed and made to look like fools. (Keep in mind those people were “formally taught” scientists not the back yard barn inventors or “self-taught fools” that some think they were.)

    The idea, as shown above, is to use stationary magnets to push non-stationary magnets on a wheel or disc. This, in and of itself, does not break the law the of physics. Instead is uses those same laws. The term “free energy” is somewhat incorrect. There is, to my knowledge, no such thing as a perpetual motion machine of any kind.

    Properly applied and constructed, the magnetic motor can spin around at a variable rate, depending on the size of the magnets used and how close they are to each other.

    In an experiment of my own I constructed a simple magnet motor using the basic idea as shown above. It took me a fair amount of time to adjust the magnets to the correct angles for it to work, but I was able to make the wheel spin on its own using the magnets only, no external power source.

    While Gilgamesh makes an interesting point about the horse power of the magnet motor, I can say that the one wheeled unit I made was able, when up to speed of about 1,500 rpm, provide 7 hp. In my calculations a set of 15 such units working in tandem would be able to produce aprox 105 hp.

    Most generator units that would be able to provide power to the average house require 100 hp, some 150. With the addition of extra wheels it should be possible to reach the 150 hp, however I have not gone to that level as of yet. Once a magnetic motor is built that can provide the required hp, simply attaching a generator head to the output shaft would provide the electricity needed. Does the motor provide electricity? No, of course not. It is simply an engine of sorts, nothing more.

    While I agree with Geoff Fritz that there are too many conspiracy people out there, I can see where it would be possible that some of their claim have merit. Never dismiss something like that just because.

    While “proper lab research” is lacking, there are some of us that are doing the research on our own just out of courtesy more than anything else.

    Is this possible? Sure, if it’s done correctly. Is it breaking the laws of physics? No, it’s applying them in proper form.

    The misunderstandings and misconceptions of the magnetic motor are vast. Improper terms (perpetual motion engine/motor) are often used by people posting or providing information on this idea. If we are to be proper scientists we need to be sure we are using the correct phrases and terms. However a “catch phrase” seems to draw more attention, although it seems to be negative attention.

    I hope I have made my information clear and concise.

  283. Gilgamesh,
    The reason people sell plans is that those who believe these devices work will try to build one of them and probably won’t complain when it doesn’t work as they will blame themselves because they will incorrectly assume they have done something wrong.

    If you choose to use electromagnets to replace the permanent magnets isn’t that defeating the whole purpose? An electromagnet motor can never be self powering.

  284. Hi Geoff Fritz
    I had no power in my apartment all day today. No tv no computer, no lights, no heat, no coffee.
    If I buy a generator from Walmart, I can not use it in the apartment, or on the balcony.
    But I see companies selling magnet motors on the internet, that I would buy, but as I see they only sell you a plan,
    and you have to build it for yourself. But If I have to build it myself , I would build my own plan, and I would not even use magnets, but electromagnets.
    You say, that it is not possible to build a magnetic motor, that works, that actually makes usable electricity, and I agree with you. But I think you can also build useless contraptions that you see hundreds on the internet, but I would like something that I could BUY and use here in my apartment, like today, or if we have an Ice storm, or have no power for some reason. So far, as I know nobody is selling a motor, or power generator or even parts that I could use in my apartment. I dont know how Tom Bearden’s device will work, but if it will work I hope he will be manufacture it, and sell it in stores.

  285. Gilgamesh,
    I didn’t misunderstand your post. regardless of size or power output it is not possible to make a magnetic motor work/spin or anything. Toy or no toy. No one has done it or ever will.

  286. Geoff Fritz.
    Maybe you misunderstood my post. My opinion about the magnetic motors, is that it is not impossible to make a wheel spin, and rotate with magnets. And in my opinion they are just toys, not real motors, like a150 horse power
    gasoline motor, or the mag lift trains in China.

  287. Gilgamesh,
    “It is not impossible to build a magnetic motor that will run by it self for a short, or a longer time”

    Oh dear…have you learned nothing?

  288. I would like to go into walmart, and buy one of these free energy contraptions.
    It is not impossible to build a magnetic motor that will run by it self for a short, or a longer time, but they are only toys, and good for fun. They will not produce energy to heat the house, or make coffee, or run the car.

  289. The operative word is “often”, not “all”. The self taught often have a fool for a teacher, especially the ones I’ve encountered through “free energy” debates. If they don’t grasp basic physics or scientific method how can they critically comment on devices they have never built, never seen nor understand the impossibility of operation?

    You misunderstand me. I’m a great fan of inventors, formally educated or not. It is the anti-intellectual types who are the ones who seem to be the most arrogant and stubborn, they sound like they have an enormous chip on their shoulder.

    Subject for a future debate.

    The Big Evil Oil People – I love this conspiracy. Solar, wind and hydroelectric power are increasing everyday. One of the biggest producers of solar panels is BP oil. What about nuclear power (love or hate it), but let’s not go there?

    I haven’t seen one credible document, news article etc that has hinted at Big Oil stopping any of this alternate energy. All I have seen is the ranting of the conspiracy theorists.

    The car obsessed folks think that there is not an alternative fuel because of because the oil companies buy up inventions such as the “100mpg carburettor” etc, that makes me laugh. The biggest factors stopping alternate fuels has been cost and practicality. Electric vehicles are at the stage of the Model T Ford, and it is not Evil Oil keeping it there. Once developed people will be saying those Evil Battery People are buying all the inventions that stop our reliance on batteries. LOL

    I’ll take on all bets that we never see a car powered by magnet motor. I hope and believe that all vehicles will be battery powered or by a renewable fuel within my lifetime.

    I’m installing solar panels on my house – but I’m a bit worried about the black van parked down the road with the two guys in it wearing sunglasses…

  290. @Kath:

    There will be no serious funding for research on free energy, zero point energy, or whatever man deems it any time soon. Why? Petroleum, coal, and other non-renewable resources that we’re charged for on a daily basis springs to mind.

    Are oil bigwigs an evil, shadowy coalition of men, hell-bent on plundering the planet’s resources and oppressing the average citizen like you and me? Probably not. But I’m sure they’ve grown comfortable to the lifestyle that hydrocarbon fuels has allowed them and their families to live.

    Simply put, Big Oil doesn’t want free or renewable energy sources to make any headway; it would cut into their profits. Sounds like a conspiracy? Not really. It’s just simple economics. You want people to continue to use your product, so any competition must be stopped at all costs.

    I doubt very seriously that we’ll see any major application of free energy models in our lifetime; but rest assured, a couple hundred years from now, when the petroleum supply is exhausted, the “Powers That Be” will “miraculously” deliver free energy to the masses, just in time to save us from some societal breakdown. But by then, they’ll have figured out a way to charge you for that, too.

    @G. Fritz:

    While I respect and agree with your post, the quote you used is a little off base. It’s blanket statement used to categorize anyone who’s self taught and (seemingly) doesn’t agree with your viewpoints or intellectual methodology.

    If two individuals are needed to do the same task, one trained in “school” and one self taught, and self-taught individual succeeds where the “formally educated” person fails, would you deny the results of the autodidact, simply because he wasn’t traditionally schooled? I’d hope not. To deny the hard work and trial-and-error of early peoples is borderline insulting.

    Seems to me that if you were to find an individual as outlined, the walls of your belief system come crashing down around you.

  291. Kath,
    You have a lot to learn about energy forums and the debates that go on. It is not about research, well not about proper research. The vast majority of “believers” seem to get their knowledge from bar room discussions or free energy websites and YouTube videos. Research in the real sense is unheard of to these folks. If any of them bothered to read a physics book and took the time to make a model of one of these devices then the whole belief system would collapse. But as they are all self taught experts (“Self taught people often have a fool for a teacher” Adam Peenum) there is no need for them to question their beliefs.

    Research? Piffle. Don’t be silly. It is a fact that free energy devices are possible as it says so on the Internet.

    No offense indeed.

  292. Magnetic energy is just not a reality plain and simple. All energy has to have a source of some sort. We have tried for years to convert magnetic engines into mechanical energy with no success at all. At least that I am aware of. If I am wrong please tell me so.

  293. Sythesis,
    Probably a very interesting book.

    Quote: “As always, you are avoiding the main issues rised by me and others…”
    I had a long laugh at that one. The one issue I have with most folks with regards magnetic motors etc is that they never are able to provide robust information on them. Oh sure I get lots of links to YouTube and lots links to websites full of free energy “facts”. But do I get anything useful? I’d be prepared to buy plans for one that came with a guarantee…like that’s going to happen. Has anyone who proclaimed magnetic motors work actually got one? I don’t believe so. Where, I ask, is the evidence?

    Simple magnets as distinct from what sort of magnets?

    There may be some special property that magnets have that does all manner of things but has anyone harnessed that hidden power to make a rotor spin? Not yet obviously.

    So go ahead along with other folk and keep saying I am missing something but I have one thing on my side that no one has. I don’t have a working magnetic motor in my grasp or the foreseeable future. Unlike inventors soon to be murdered by secret agents from the big oil company conglomerate.

  294. @Fritz
    As always, you are avoiding the main issues rised by me and others, especially that are things that apparently defy the known model of the world. I’ve told you about how not well understood is magnetism. There is a book written by A.K. Bhattacharyya, A.R. Davis, R.U. Sierra.- “Magnet and Magnetic Fields, or Healing by Magnets”. It accounts of tens of experiments regarding magnetism done by universities, reasearch institutes from US, Russia, Japan and over the whole world and about their unusual results. You might wanna take a look. Or you may call them crackpots, too. 🙂

    “Quote: “The magnets whou (?) repel each other would loose [sic] their strength in time, anyway” – oh dear – no one has demonstrated that, in fact no one has gotten a magnetic motor to spin unaided ever.”
    I’m referring to simple magnets, not to any magnetic motor. It seems that you don’t read carefully. If you do the same with any material like that it’s not a surprise your position regarding FE.
    I’m not a native English speaker so I apologize for my typing erros!

  295. Synthesis,
    Now you are saying I have “stupid ideea[sic]” with regards magnetic motors then have the audacity to pour out the same crap that I can read on any free energy website.

    Quote: “The working examples (at least some of them) are working on another principle/phenomenon. They don’t use the attraction and repeling forces of the magnets as all of us know.” There are no working versions so what you have said its just plain stupid.

    Quote: “The magnets whou (?) repel each other would loose [sic] their strength in time, anyway” – oh dear – no one has demonstrated that, in fact no one has gotten a magnetic motor to spin unaided ever.

    And you’re betting me I didn’t make any magnetic motors. What a laugh. You are not basing that statement on evidence just your somewhat arrogant opinion. I have made several and they didn’t work. You on the other hand don’t seem to have done anything except read a few naff websites. Another fine example of education by Wiki et al.

    I read your post a few times to confirm what I thought is was saying. Do you believe i astrology and homoeopathy too.

    Unless you tone it down and stop the pathetic attempts at personal attacks you can go and get stuffed.

    Have a nice day.

  296. @G Fritz February 15, 2011 – 1:07 pm
    “Forget the laws of physics for a minute – ask yourself this – how can a device spin a rotor that has a balanced number of attracting and repelling forces on it?”
    You are making the same error as the rest of the people who don’t “belive” that a magnetic motor could work. Of course that a such motor (like the one described by you) would not spin at all and is a stupid ideea. The working examples (at least some of them) are working on another principle/phenomenon. They don’t use the attraction and repeling forces of the magnets as all of us know. I repeat: that is a stupid ideea. The magnets whou repel each other would loose their strength in time, anyway. The ideea is that in some configuration of the magnets a scalar energy vortex is created with the role to draw energy from the Ether and this vortex is repsonsible for the extra energy or movement of the rotor. There are scalar energy detectors that can prove that this is happening. You can’t detect scalar energy with conventional tools.
    The vortex si an ubiquitos thing in nature. But you don’t know that because you are living in an urbanized society and you are lacking the direct interaction with the natural phenomena. Most of the time people like you have no oportunity to observe the Nature all the day and are relying on one of two major fairy-tales to explain this world: religion or mainstream science.
    The magnetism is more than the attraction and repelling forces. If you would have studied some books related to magnetism (who don’t even talk about free-energy or magnetic motors) you would have known by now that magnetism is such a complex thing and has a lot of application in a wide range of domains. For ex it influences a lot the metabolism of the plants and animals, things that cannot be explained by the attraction-repulsion paradigma.

    “..I have tried several.”
    By the way your posts sound like(you are attacking FE with every ocasion) I bet you didn’t! And even if you did it you didn’t understand anything. You merely tried to clone them without trying to understand what their inventors did and thus the conclusion…
    If you haven’t succedded that means only one thing: That you didn’t succed! Not that such things don’t exist! If I try to build a house and the building collapses immediately this doesn’t mean that no house can be build. It only means that I don’t know & I’m not able to build a “working” one, even with the construction plans in front of me! 🙂

  297. Toni D,
    Your technical contribution to the debate is zero and you post an abusive comment and call me a troll. What joke you reveal yourself to be. Get a life.

  298. Stop avoiding the main points Fritz, you use pretty words so you can get away, but your arguments are weak.

    You’re a trickster and might i say a troll too.

  299. Wayne,
    No one is debating that objects hurl through space and that for all practical arguments are in perpetual motion. I’m so sick of that analogy.

    And who is debating that energy from wind, solar and tidal is not usable and freely available? Not me. I’m saying that is just adding to the confusion when discussing perpetual motion machines such as permanent magnet motors which are the classic “free energy machine” and those are the types of devices I’m saying don’t work.

    Forget the laws of physics for a minute – ask yourself this – how can a device spin a rotor that has a balanced number of attracting and repelling forces on it? Have you ever made one? I have tried several. Gravity motors – show me a working one. I’ll bet if anyone gets a “vacuum energy device” to work it will draw in energy to replace energy leaving via the wires or output shaft and is therefore no different to solar power in principle and is not a perpetual motion machine.

    This post was originally about magnetic motors, I wish people would stick to that – if you have evidence they work show us. And don’t send me a link to a YouTube video as any sort of proof. What is it with today’s video culture?

  300. Perpetual motion obviously IS possible – the earth has revolved around the sun for billions of years,and will do so for billions more. Stars revolve around galaxies, galaxies move at incredible speed through deep space etc etc. Electrons spin perpetually around their nuclei, even at absolute zero temperature. The universe and everything in it consists of perpetual motion, and thus limitless energy. The trick is to harness this energy usefully, for human purposes.

    A lot of valuable progress is lost because some sad people choose to define a free-energy device as “a perpetual motion machine existing in a completely closed system”, and they then shelter behind “the laws of physics”, incomplete as these are known to be. However if you open your mind to accept a free-energy definition as being “a device which delivers useful energy without consuming fuel which is not itself free”, then solar energy, tidal energy etc classify as “free-energy”. Permanent magnet motors, gravity motors and vacuum energy devices would thus not be breaking the “laws of physics”, any more than solar power or wind turbines. There is no need for unicorns of any gender – just common sense, and a bit of open-mindedness.

  301. Victor,
    For a start, I’m not bitter. I am however annoyed at that sector of the community who for some strange reason have chosen to have as a starting point “there is such a thing as free energy from nowhere” and proceed to tell everyone to get on board without any scientific evidence or working versions. How anyone cannot see that is appalling is beyond me. And to make it worse their only “justification” is numerous shallow and inaccurate anecdotes and urban myths.

    As for my experiments etc they were based on electronics and not having a formal education in that area I found it a very frustrating journey. Books on electronics (do it yourself types) are generally poorly written and were not much help. I also made a few magnetic motors which required nothing but clear thinking and patience. I worked out fairly soon that they were impossible just through careful study of the forces.

  302. Mr. Fritz, as an experimenter and inventor, what exact pitfalls did you find with your experiments? What stopped you in your tracks, besides lack of ground unicorn testicles? 🙂 I’m interested in knowing what you tried and where it failed. Can we learn from it? You sound very bitter about it.

    Thanks. Vic

  303. I am an experimenter and hobbyist inventor. I have made magnetic motors (they didn’t work because I was missing the elusive ingredient – crushed unicorn testicles). The journey is always the important part and not the end, but I think it is stupid to head out on a journey where the destination is unachievable. Just like the Holy Grail is a myth so is a free energy device.

    Ignore the laws of physics and use common sense when looking at a device (e.g. magnetic motors) that promises unending power. If power flows from the output shaft where does it flow in? Magnets don’t contain energy (despite what free energy buffs claim). If energy flows out of a device it must either get lighter or colder. A free energy device by definition must operate in a closed system therefore it can’t draw heat from outside to stop the cooling process; it doesn’t get lighter unless there is a nuclear reaction in the magnets which hasn’t been discovered – so common sense says to me magnetic motors are a con and can never work.

    Science is not wrong. It is not a single entity. Claims or findings can be wrong. Errors or corrections occur at the individual level. Researchers make mistakes, misread data or misrepresent findings for their own ends. Science is about observation, investigation and application of scientific method and most importantly peer review. Self anointed inventors masquerading as scientists claim free energy is available but not one of them has ever demonstrated it to be so. Were it so they would be nominated for the Nobel prize in physics and all physics books heaped upon a fire and destroyed as they deserve. But this isn’t going to happen.

    “Anyone who believes perpetual motion is impossible has no imagination; anyone who thinks it is possible has no brains.” Adam Peenum

    He also said: “A perpetual motion machine takes longer to build than it will run for”

  304. Dear fellow Inventors.
    Always try to remember. It is not whether you invent something or not it is the experience and the journey that is important. To sit on your hands and do nothing is a waste of life. My electrical engineer friend is saying to mine, that it can not be done. Those with closed minds have no imagination. This and persistance is what it takes to succeed. The hell with the laws of physics. How often has science being proven wrong in the last 20 years. Dont let them say you are a fool. That is what keeps our breed going. Dont ever give up.
    If you have not heard yet,,,It is better to reload than retreat. Every failure is one step closer to success.Good luck!

  305. Troyota,
    If you look at all the free energy websites sure you’ll see lots of devices that claim more out than in.
    If you look at YouTube you’ll see heaps of devices that supposedly promise/show/clearly demonstrate more out than in.

    But if you try to buy a working version or make a working version then strangely it is always more energy in than out. This phenomena is called reality.

    Anyone who promises more out than in is either a liar, a fool, ignorant or ill-informed.

    I expect my post will draw criticism from folks who will swear or believe otherwise. But will they provide any proof I’m wrong? Never in a million years, all they have is empty words. Sure lots of such devices are patented but one of them work.

    No device can ever produce more energy than it consumes.

    Have a nice day.

  306. Hi all, I am curious, are there ANY working models of motors that produce more energy than they use? Not nessisarily a stand alone unit, but even something that can increase power? (eg 10 in 15 out)? I am not an engineer, nor a tinkerer, but the idea intrigues me, that somehow we could increase energy outputs by better design. Thanks in advance.

  307. A.K.A.
    I’ll ignore your attempt at sarcasm. That is an old video. The inventor claims one set of magnet covered cones driving another set somehow produces power. No explanation, no test results, no published information. It is merely a magnetic coupling that operates through a right angle. It is not a free energy device or a magnetic motor. Not relevant to this forum.

    If you want to try some serious discussion I’m all for it, otherwise…well you know the answer.

  308. Am I overlooking something. Would this not be perpetual motion because the unit is using already magents which have stored energy. Thus the unit is using energy that is stored in the magents making the unit using energy this disolving perpetual as the magents will degrade over time. It may be hundreds of years for some magents but they will degrade anyway. The magents would be acting as batteries even if they do turn.

    as for the design I am a simple tinkerer. I see no way that one wheel will cause the other one to turn without one being turned first. I see this drawing as a simple way of making near zero friction cogs for gearing but not a way of perpetual motion.

  309. I spoke with PBS/NOVA. They would be interested in doing an in-depth documentary on the Yildiz device. I contacted Mr. Felber, Mr. Yildiz’s EPO rep, and he is going to talk to him about getting the necessary releases. Presently Mr. Yildiz’s only Intellectual Property Rights protection is a Patent Application (in U.S., a Provisional Patent). But he is going to discuss it with him.

    This is a s— or get off the pot situation, as I notice GE’s ads all over TV now for charging stations for battery powered cars. At least a move is being made in a direction.

    Dave Keith, I could not quite understand the Mr. Kenzon’s developments. Does anyone know how to contact him?


  310. (I don’t think this previous post made it, forgive any duplicates)
    Mr. Fritz, then we do agree, as I agree based on your definition. That is why the term self-sustaining, which gets to the root of the problem…a practical solution to alternative energy, whether using magnets, Li-Fe-nano-Phosphate batteries or something new that comes down the pike. Heck, NASA’s idea of putting tethered cables into space to turn the earth into a large generator even makes sense.

    My internal mental debate is based on a device I experimented on. Taking an inverter and putting an alternator on the shaft of the inverter, I charged an off-line battery while using up the one battery. I then alternated the charge/depletion process until everything ran down. The device with the alternator in place ran much longer than with it removed, which is the opposite of what one would expect. My imagination currently is trying to determine how long the “system” would run if tuned and using the new Li-Fe-nano-phosphate batteries rather than the lead acid batteries I used previously. And could the discharged batteries be charged up quicker than the recharged battery is depleted, making for a useful, practical motor?

    It was a good discussion. Thanks.

  311. Victor,
    Just to be perfectly clear. If we debate the semantics of definitions and what constitutes perpetual motion then there can be little chance consensus.

    The issue is really is there a perpetual motion machine. Thus “This completely flies in the face of the idea that there is no such thing as perpetual motion” is meaningless.

    People are claiming to have invented perpetual motion MACHINES. That is my gripe. No one has ever demonstrated a working version of such a beast or explained how it could work(in terms that make sense – and as arrogant as this may sound, use of Zero Point Energy or harnessing gravity waves or similar makes as much sense as saying it uses powdered unicorn horns as the secret ingredient). If there is such a force that is yet undiscovered and can power an output shaft and it operates in a closed system then we can throw out the laws of conservation of energy. I won’t hold my breath.

  312. Victor,
    It depends on which definition one chooses to use for perpetual motion. I prefer the classic definition which mentions a closed system.

    Perpetual motion n.
    “The hypothetical continuous operation of an isolated mechanical device or other closed system without a sustaining energy source.”

    That pendulum may well swing for a long time, but perpetual motion, no. The movement of the earth causes it to swing. Just as the earth acts upon the pendulum so the pendulum will in fact be causing the earth’s wobble to reduce due to the effect of gravity upon each other. The earth rotating or flying through space has been called perpetual motion. Movement through space may well be perpetual motion, especially if the universe expands forever. But no laws are being bent or broken. Context is what it is all about.

    When the sun swells and engulfs the earth in a few billion years I’ll wager the pendulum will…well you know the rest.

    No law is being broken, or denied. If the pendulum didn’t swing, then a few laws would be broken/denied.

  313. Mr. Fritz, thank you. Please check my facts, but I believe there is a pendulum constructed at the University of Colorado that once set in motion, stayed in motion utilizing the wobble of the earth to give it continuous momentum. This completely flies in the face of the idea that there is no such thing as perpetual motion.

    Indefinitely, was the key word in the definition, as without maintenance it will fall apart and collapse to the ground. And as the earth changes it’s wobble, it will influence the pendulum. If I am wrong please correct me, but this seems to deny these laws.

    Is it practical, who knows! But I think it may debunk a Law of Physics. You find the right spot on earth where the wobble can be measured, set up a properly weighted pendulum and you should have perpetual motion until civilization dies out and it falls apart, or the wobble changes enough to stop the motion. Not being a wise guy here.

  314. Victor,
    I agree with the definition. My point is that under any name there are only two types of power producing devices.

    Those that operate at >100% efficiency (perpetual motion machines etc or whatever name people choose to call them)

    Those that operate at <100% efficiency (real world machines)

    Me argumentative? Oh perish the thought. Perhaps I can be perceived as being opinionated when it comes to responding to posts that quote obvious untruths or those by folks who simply don't even understand basic physics, and those who insist magnets have energy that can be tapped.

    As for "on earth, man made" not sure what you're getting at. I'm referring to machines, not things flying through space that some would argue have perpetual motion. Difference subject entirely.

  315. Mr. Fritz, the problem we are having is definitely one of linguistics.
    The original definition from 1585 is Perpetual Motion: –noun Mechanics .
    the motion of a theoretical mechanism that, without any losses due to friction or other forms of dissipation of energy, would continue to operate indefinitely at the same rate without any external energy being applied to it.

    I grant you that, on earth, man-made. Can you agree to that? Or are YOU being argumentative?

  316. Victor,
    Perpetual motion then became over-unity and now do I have to assume self sustaining? As I quoted before: “What’s in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.” W Shakespeare

    As for reconditioning the unit. Are we talking bearings? Modern bearings appropriate for an application will last 10 to 20 years and are not really a consideration. Reconditioning magnets? Not likely. I believe that all to be a distraction.

    Whatever the unit is called or whatever maintenance is required the real question is does it have a net positive output of energy?

    If a device is powered by a long lasting highly efficient battery that is not in the realms of self sustaining, free energy or perpetual motion.

  317. Mr. Fritz, mentally substitute “perpetual” with “self-sustaining.” It may give you perspective. I say this without any sarcasm intended. The only deviation from that argument might be the superconducting cryogenic battery in deep space.

  318. Mr. Fritz, again I think the problem you are having is semantics. “Perpetual- continuing or enduring forever; everlasting.” The modern terms being used now are “self-sustaining or sustainable.” Even if Mr. Yildiz is 100% right, eventually the unit would have to be reconditioned. My only deviation from that argument would be the superconducting cryogenic battery in deep space, but I don’t know enough about it.

    Mentally, substitute “perpetual” with “self-sustaining.” It may give you perspective. I say this without any sarcasm intended.

  319. “Anyone who believes perpetual motion is impossible has no imagination; anyone who thinks it is possible has no brains.” Adam Peenum

  320. Mr. Bellows, capture your experiment on video. Show all angles of the motor and the fact that there are no external power supplies attached to the motor, or batteries to drive the unit. Don’t edit it at any point. If serious, get a corroborating letter from the teacher that purchased the unit. Post the work for all to see.

    A device I worked on many years ago went on television in operation. I made no claims of perpetual motion or power, to avoid those arguments, but showed a gain in useful power in what I did do. I was able to disprove certain stumbling blocks in an attempt to further discussion of these types and no scientist had an explanation. But they did put me onto other findings people were having that challenged accepted Laws. Dr. Barnes at the time was working with the Russians to find Room Temperature Superconductivity. And another Scientist from CU developed a cryogenic battery. “Better Places” is using battery advancements to replace the ICE in major cities and countries where pollution is a problem.

    There are VERY POWERFUL Lobbies in place to kill progress, similar to the Whale Oil Industry wanting to stop the electric lightbulb. Don’t know if that’s true :). Anyway, post your video. I would love to see it.

    Remember, the Sean Hannity’s and the Glenn Beck’s will always be out there.

  321. Daniel Bellows,
    Interesting you know the RPM rate and the torque. Which any fool would know torque can’t be measured without a load being applied. Plus if there was no load that amount of torque would cause the device to spin far higher RPM than quoted until the frictional loads matched the output torque.

    I can’t believe you would take the time to post such tripe.

    The classic down home style of writing “I am a simple maintenance man blah blah…” may fool the people you wish to appeal to, but not me. Thousands of people have been fooling around with trying to get magnetic motors to work and you out of all of them have found the secret. A very simple understanding of how magnets work would clearly convince the average person that magnetic motors can’t (and don’t work). Pray tell where does the energy come from? The classic response is magnetic energy from when they were made. Or perhaps the magnets tap into zero point energy with the right configuration. What about they harness the earth’s gravitational field. Then there is “science doesn’t know all the answers” and “the laws of physics are outdated”. The list goes on with equally implausible rubbish.

    This forum was meant for serious discussion but gormless trolls like you want to spoil it for everyone. If you think it is April 1st you are way too early.

    Go away and post on YouTube to a wider and undoubtedly more gullible audience.

  322. Mr. Fritz and Mr. Nittolo,

    I want to thank you both for the discussion you have had here, I have found it very informative and educational. Unlike Mr. Walker, I do enjoy an intellectual conversation.

    I make no claims to having scientific skills or mathematical expertise, I am a simple maintenance man, doing repairs on a variety of systems, including electrical and power plant generators. I may not understand the science behind how they work, but I do know how they work mechanically and can repair or rebuild them if needed.

    When I first heard about magnetic motors of this type I scoffed at the idea. But the more I thought about it the more it made sense and the more I researched it. Using simple plans I found online I built a small (8 inch diameter) model using regular magnets I had around the shop. These were 1/4″ disk magnets, not the larger ones I’ve seen in some videos. I mounted them on two pieces of 1/2″ plywood that I had cut into disks, then used 6 adjustable pieces of 1″ X 1″ wood stock as the stationary mounted units. The whole system was mounted on a sheet of 2′ X 2′, 3/4″ thick plywood. The center disks were mounted on a 1/8″ aluminum round stock with a spindle bearing in the platform plywood.

    Through a bit of trial and error, more error then anything, I finally found the proper placement and angels of the magnets to allow the center disks to spin free. The magnets mounted on the disks were adjusted to a 22.3 degree angel with the stationary units set to match. The disks were offset by 13.17 degrees in order to keep them spinning without “breaking” as they went.

    Once I had the whole process figured out, which took over three weeks, I started it and let it run. The only thing I had to do was apply some lubrication to the spindle bearing every day which I was able to do from the bottom of the platform. The unit ran non stop for 42 days and nights.

    One of my neighbors is a high school science teacher, a good friend of mine. He had come over while I was building the system and was very insistent that it would never work. It seemed to be his favorite past time to come over for a “progress report” on my project. To his surprise the unit worked and after seeing it run for as long as it did he paid me $500 for it so he could use it in his science class. Considering that I had used spare parts, except for the plywood which only cost me $35 at the time, I made out fairly well.

    Keeping in mind that I didn’t hook up the system to a generator head I’m not sure how much it would take to have enough torque for that to work. However I did measure the RPMs at top speed to be 4,200 and the estimated torque was 15 ftlbs. The generators I work with at my job require a peak torque of 130 ftlbs, and those are simple household generators for when the power goes out. They’re not powerful enough to provide for every electrical item in the house to run, but it is enough for the heating system and a few lights to work.

    Given enough time and experimenting I believe I could create a system that would power the entire house.

    Now, not meaning to be insulting to anyone here, I’m a simple grunt worker with no higher education, but I do know how to figure things out. It might take me longer, sure, but all it takes is understanding that like poles repel each other, and how to harness that to put it to use. If I can figure it out, then I’m sure others can as well.

    As for Mr. Fritz’s comments about the oil companies and coal companies, you’re right in that it comes down to business and profit. It would cost them billions, if not trillions, to replace the current systems, not to mention several years. Also consider the impact on employment and the work force in the countries they have facilities in.

    Personally I wouldn’t recommend that drastic of a change for a long time, the people of the world just aren’t ready for it. However I strongly believe that a simple generator unit can be developed for home use. There are those out there that would take advantage of that and charge outrageous prices for such a unit, that’s the nature of mankind’s greed.

    Thank you for taking the time to read my comments.

  323. Victor,
    I am open minded that is why I am able to see all the possibilities. This allows me to question the possibilities too. If I had a similar invention I would not waste my time presenting it as this device has been and get people to play “guess my secret”.

    All this effort would be better spent on improving batteries and solar cells and any other system that captures natural energy in a form that we can use effectively – the pursuit of free energy is a complete waste of everybody’s time and only serves to provide a mechanism to steal money from fools.

  324. To Nittolo and Fritz ; You guys are absolutely hilarious. I have never laughed so hard reading a serious set of postings. You should seriously write some of this down and send it to Hollywood. They cancel shows faster than they can make them out there, and your material would be a winner ! If there are no buyers in LA, then you could take your show on the road. With your combined training, and years of experience, you would be a smash hit. I make no claims to knowledge, I am writing my own script ” Greater Minds than Mine” which includes everybody. My greatest feat in life is find a warm commode, on time….. I don’t know if the damn engine will ever work; I like the one I saw several years ago about the followers of some self proclaimed prophet and deity who was getting his followers to blast off with him to catch the tail of a rocketship that will blast them off to Venus, Mars, whatever.

  325. Victor,
    The unit has not been fully examined (especially the rotor), the device puts out about 10w and has only been run for short periods.

    The hypothesis on how it works (gravitational & ZPE) sound entirely implausible. I don’t know about stored magnetic energy.

    I’ll stick with batteries in the rotor.

  326. Victor,
    I think you’re being argumentative. The filing of a patent application is a clerical task, and the USPTO won’t refuse filings for perpetual motion machines; the application will be filed and then most probably rejected by the patent examiner, after he has done a formal examination. Model or no model the outcome is the same. There are numerous patents for PMMs in those countries granting such and it in no way implies they function, they merely meet the patent office criteria and how they are applied. If the debate goes down this path as to whether a patent office employee is somehow the arbiter of what does or doesn’t work when the thousands of scientists who have confirmed findings to the contrary then this discussion is headed no where.

    A person can explain all they like that a perpetual motion machine can draw or utilise energy how they say, but put that device in a fully insulated box and monitor the output power. Those stubborn old fashioned laws of physics suggest the inside of the box will get colder till absolute zero is reached or till the hidden battery/capacitor runs flat. Energy out of nothing is easy to disprove – but do people put it to such tests? No. Running a device for minutes in front of people who want to believe is taken as some form of proof. It’s no wonder people believe in miracles.

  327. Mr. Fritz, from my research, you are wrong. This is directly from the USPTO:

    “Models or exhibits are generally not admitted as part of an application or patent unless the requirements of 37 CFR 1.91 are satisfied.

    “With the exception of cases involving perpetual motion, a model is not ordinarily required by the Office to demonstrate the operability of a device. If operability of a device is questioned, the applicant must establish it to the satisfaction of the examiner, but he or she may choose his or her own way of so doing.

    >Models or exhibits that are required by the Office or filed with a petition under 37 CFR 1.91(a)(3) must be accompanied by photographs that (A) show multiple views of the material features of the model or exhibit, and (B) substantially conform to the requirements of 37 CFR 1.84. See 37 CFR 1.91(c). Material features are considered to be those features which represent that portion(s) of the model or exhibit forming the basis for which the model or exhibit has been submitted. Where a video or DVD or similar item is submitted as a model or exhibit, applicant must submit photographs of what is depicted in the video or DVD (the content of the material such as a still image single frame of a movie) and not a photograph of a video cassette, DVD disc or compact disc.<"

  328. Mr. Fritz, based on my experience, you must have a working model in order to get a patent. My understanding is, from the EPO, that a patent has been granted, but the entire design has not been explained for fear of copying it before Mr. Fritz and his investors can get a return on their investment. Their term was “positive for a patent.”

    If it works, I hope it isn’t purchased to be put on a shelf somewhere, to keep it off the market. The world doesn’t seem interested in progress nowadays, just keeping the established status quo.

  329. Victor R. Nittolo,
    The folks at patent offices merely ensure the paperwork is in order and no previous patents have been infringed. The US patent office have said they won’t issue patents for perpetual motion machines. That’s why inventors call them over-unity devices or say they are devices for tapping into zero point energy.

    “What’s in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.” W Shakespeare

  330. Mr. Fritz, I am going to follow this one. Dr. Duarte seemed sincere. I hope it’s not a scam because a lot of reputations will be destroyed, including the European Patent Office. I would think some arrests would be in order also. Fingers-crossed.

  331. Victor R. Nittolo,
    I’m sure Mr Yidiz’s reps and all his supporters welcome queries and have appropriate answers at the ready. Until someone does a scientific study of the device I’ll stick by assertion that it is not what it seems. Public displays of such devices seem to aimed at getting perhaps a few million dollars for whatever reason. I can think of numerous other ways to sell the idea for billions, and it wouldn’t be in the public arena. It all smells of scam.

    Within 12 months it will disappear or be exposed.

  332. Mr. Fritz, what do you do for a living? What is your field of study? You should express your questions and doubts to Mr. Yildiz’s reps, as well as Dr. Duarte, University of Delft, then share them. He is pretty open about his observations. He is now trying to discern what happened scientically from what he observed.

    Maybe you can find a conspiracy, theorizing they are trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the science community. If you see through Dr. Duarte’s Abstract, please share it. I have no horse in this race, other than the advancement of science. Thanks.

  333. b,thompson,
    Albert E. , tesla and a great deal other great scientist and mathematicians had too many brains to think that free energy was possible that’s why none of them worked in that field.

    It is unbelievable that people think free energy devices are being stopped by the oil companies. Let’s assume you worked for an oil company and you held the patent for a free energy machine. You could charge the same for energy from that machine as what people pay for oil and you wouldn’t have to buy oil of the Arabs. Thus your profit margin would go through the roof. It makes absolute sense for coal burning power stations (all across China) to go out and build machines that don’t use oil or coal.

    Your comments show you know nothing about the laws of conservation of energy, or how businesses run.

    Including pharmaceutical companies in your comment shows you are deluded conspiracy theorist idiot. Why don’t you tell me men have never landed on the moon and all those employed in higher levels of government are actually lizard people who drink the blood of babies.

    Get out of your basement and find a good library and start from scratch.

  334. wow if Albert E. , tesla and a great deal other great scientist and mathematicians thought the way you do mr. Fritz the world would still be in the stone age . are you sure you don’t work for the government and are trying to discourage people from spending there time and energy to make the world a better place were we are not milked for our hard earned dollars by being forced to buy fossil fuels and remain a slave to many energy fuel and pharmicuticals. but thats what im thinkin about now lol

  335. S Files: I have to comment on your last paragraph:

    “As far as wear and tear most magnets are made by the earth and then mined by humans.”
    Not sure what point you’re making. All material for magnets is mined. I’m not aware of any devices that use magnetic material unprocessed to make magnets.

    “You can make a material magnetic but it requires more energy than can be released by it due to the Law of Conservation of Energy. ”
    No. Making a metal magnetic does not put energy into for later release as energy. That is one of the classic “magnetic motor” myths. Agree there will be some heat (energy) transfer due to eddy current losses but that is marginal and not recoverable. I takes a split second to magnetise material. Google it. Stroke an iron nail with a magnet and it becomes magnetic quite quickly. Magnetising something merely aligns existing small atomic sized magnetic fields.

    “If it were possible to use magnets to make a spinning apparatus then it would require natural magnets.”
    No. The type of magnet (natural or man-made) is not the issue. Natural magnetic material is a very poor basis for a magnet compared to man-made, that is not the issue either. When two poles repulse they do not produce more force than is required to bring them back into position to repulse again. Magnetic motor “believers” think there is a “magnetic shield” that will allow this to happen. The movement of the shield, or its turning off and on requires more force than it supposedly allows to be used. Permanent shields merely deflect the magnetic field and thus the maximum repulsive force (and attraction forces) remain equal to each other but at a different level to that without the shield.

  336. @ Allen,

    Magnetic motors are currently a physical impossibility (sorry mr. Fritz for fighting against you so vehemently earlier). This is because in order for the repulsive force of one magnet to push the wheel or moving part past the repulsive force of the next magnet the following magnet would have to be weaker than the first. But then the weaker magnet would not have enough force to push the wheel past the second magnet.

    It MIGHT be possible if you arrange the wheel of magnets in way that decreases their strength as the wheel passes by the stationary one. However, you would still have the stronger magnet at the end of the cycle to prevent a constant spinning effect.

    As far as wear and tear most magnets are made by the earth and then mined by humans. You can make a material magnetic but it requires more energy than can be released by it due to the Law of Conservation of Energy. If it were possible to use magnets to make a spinning apparatus then it would require natural magnets.

  337. Beowulf, that Link is an extensive wealth of information. I just don’t want to see any of them worthy of production be killed off for political/economic reasons, which appears to be their likely futures. If I was Warren Buffet or Bill Gates, I would be very interested in this market.

    I have friends in Jamaica that still don’t have electricity. Imagine dropping one of these in their laps? Let’s hope they get to market, without the corrupt getting involved.

  338. I found an english description of Patent EP 2,153,515 by Muammer Yildiz at:
    Just scroll down to the middle and u’ll see it.
    I just briefly went through the text and from what I understand it describes a magnetic levitation bearing to reduce friction. I was unable to extract the rotation mechanism. Maybe it is another patent 🙁

  339. As a generality, we are so vain to think we know everything and are not willing to open our imaginations to new thoughts. It has been suggested that Aristotle was probably the last person to know everything there was to be known in his own time.

    Civilizations die off when they stop learning or have reached their maximum capacity to dream.

    I, too, appreciated Dr. Duarte’s conclusion. Vic

  340. Thanks for the report Vic.
    At least this proves that the demonstration was not a fake setup. Dr. Duarte talks about possible work being done by vacuum energy as in Casimir effect. Maybe future free energy machines will find a way to tap into the not so well understood infinite vacuum energy.
    I like the optimistic note at which he ends his report.

  341. Allen, I agree with you after speaking (via email) with Dr. Felber, Dr. Vermeeren and Dr. Duarte. Dr. Duarte was present at the YouTube demo and had the opportunity to take heat measurements and give his speculation on what is occurring. I will figure a way to post his Abstract on this site for all interested.

    Dr. Felber, who represents Mr. Yildiz before the EPO, is quite enthusiastic.

    I, too, am enthused as I’ve always been a proponent of a falsely named “perpetual motion” machine. Matter of semantics.

    Yours, Vic

  342. “what exactly runs down on the magnet motors”

    That is not the question. Nothing runs down on a magnetic motor. They don’t start let alone don’t run, or run forever. No one has ever gotten a magnetic motor to run. And reasons given why they don’t run, or don’t run forever are just plain ludicrous.

    A conventional DC motor with a coil rotor and permanent magnets will run for just about ever (or until the bearings and brushes wear out). A brushless DC motor will run till the bearings need replacing. These motors work because of energy supplied to create a moving field. There is no equivalent moving field in a magnetic motor.

    For magnets to lose their power they have to be really abused: very high temperatures, severe mechanical shocks or other magnetising forces that exceed the original magnetising force that created them. None of this happens in a motor under normal conditions. Unfortunately the “pro magnetic motor” clowns don’t understand any of this.

    The energy required to magnetise a permanent magnet is not much at all when compared to the energy that a motor delivers over its lifetime. But that leads people to think that somehow a motor is running off energy stored in magnets from the magnetising process. Magnetising does not put energy into a magnet – it merely aligns the many small magnetic (misaligned and random ) fields in the magnetic material.

  343. what exactly runs down on the magnet motors. Do you mean that the permanent magnets loose its magnetism? That would be really expensive not free, just magnet powered instead of gas or electricity.

    how much energy does it take to recharge the magnets?
    could the motor create this much energy?
    could the magnets be put on a belt so it passes around it then away. as to cool or reenergize?

  344. I am in contact with the European Patent Office.

    Their initial application findings, according to them, are positive for an invention on Mr. Yildez’s “device.” There is a second step to go through which they claim is more exhausting and makes consclusions on the results of their findings. They are sending me contact information now for Mr. Yildez and his representative.

    The Patent Application is in German, but Babelfish does an adequate job of translating. I’ll post when I receive the info from the EPO.


  345. I have emailed the TUD, the host of Mr. Yildez’s conference. They are a very credible institution. I have asked for a name of an observer to see if I can have a relevant conversation, and learn more. If I hear from them I will keep you posted.


  346. Dear friends, I’m very new to the free energy paradigm & debate. Have just started following it. From what I have gathered in a short time, most of the stuff floating on the net is a hoax/scam. Victor is very enthusiastic(like me) to discover someting exciting. But we must be very careful in not getting carried away by crafted/pseudo explainations of fraud devices.
    We have been conditioned to believe a set of very logical & rigorous laws during the process of education. But my personal belief is that logic too is very relative. What was illogical 100yrs ago is very logical today. For example, Newtonian physics ruled until Einstien came about.
    And maybe Geoff is right in saying that a free energy motor will never be a reality, but just imagine the work that will go into futile attempts to build such a device. People will know 100’s of configurations that don’t work. As Edison once spoke out about his failures “I have not failed. I’ve just found 10,000 ways that won’t work.”
    By todays logic, my mind makes me a skeptic, but my heart says, maybe there is some ridiculous way out.
    In case I come across something credible, I’ll post it for further scrutiny.
    And I really enjoyed the “Peenum’s Paradox”

  347. Mr. Fritz, we agree. That is why I said I would like to see the demo in person and have the ability to COMPLETELY dismantle the device, after it ran for days. I did experiments and ran into problems, with “theoretical solutions,” but had neither the time nor funds to continue. Mine too ran down. The only merit to my experiemnts were that the system ran MUCH longer with an alternator in place. Similar to what the Tesla Model S does. I then joined the bandwagon of recharging or replacing a battery as they are doing in Israel and Norway. Off the “free energy” subject for a minute, I think the cryogenic superconducting battery or magnesium replacement battery should be of interest to you.

    The cryogenic superconducting battery did continuously productively run a motor until it was removed from it’s liquid nitrogen bath. Forgive my spelling errors.

  348. Victor R. Nittolo,
    I read this article you posted.
    There are several flaws in the comments about magnets that anyone with a basic understanding of physics would see and question the quality/robustness of the whole article. And if that is the substance of your arguments then I doubt I’m going to convince you otherwise.

    Why should I have to back up my claims? I’m not making any claims that I have invented a device that defies all the known applicable laws of physics. My claims are based on the backing of the entire scientific community. These inventors such as Yildez are very skilled at presenting their devices for a few minutes and then talking them up as if they will run forever. Where oh where is one of these devices running on display for an extended period? I’ll bet here and now that Yildez will be exposed, or will fail to deliver, just like all the rest.

    A video is never proof of anything. Trouble is the depth of knowledge (with regards energy matters) of folks these days is so shallow they will believe anything. There was a video on YT that showed a disc spinning due to a magnet held close to it. After several months of folks like myself debating that it was a fraud the secret of the hidden battery and motor was revealed – strangely none of the pro free energy folks responded with apologies. Blind faith over rules common sense.