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How To Build a Free Energy Generator (Mini Romag)

mromag01 How To Build a Free Energy Generator (Mini Romag)The Mini Romag free energy generator from Magnetic Energy uses the principle of moving magnetic flow named “the magnetic current” for generating electrical power. According to Magnetic Energy this generator is able to produce 3.5 volts, 7A DC ( about 24 Watts ) of free electricity while its generate sufficient power to sustain itself…

This generator need to be started by an external motor during about 42 seconds at 2100 RPM. After this charging process, when the energy flow is established in the Romag generator, the motor can be removed and free electrical energy can be used.

The Romag free energy generator is a new revolutionary concept which generates electrical energy without using the first flow of current generated by magnetism, it uses only the untapped natural resource of the magnetism…

HOW THE UNIT WORKS :

The here disclosed 3½ volt, 7 amperage magnet motor/generator must be charged up by driving the main shaft at 2100 RPM for 42 seconds. This charging process manifests as magnetic energy within the six coils of copper wire, the copper tube supporting these coils and the copper coated steel wires wrapped around the magnets. This charging is accomplished while the six coil connection wires, Part #22, are making contact and setting up their alternating magnetic poles. After the 42 second charging time one of these coil connection wires must be opened and this circuit again completed through an energy draw at what could be called 7 amps. See load Part #23. As current is drawn from the six coils, this draw sets up magnetic poles which are a response between the rotor magnets and the coils. This response then causes the main shaft to be rotated by the 12 permanent magnets as they attract and build a release field. Then the driver unit (hand crank) is disconnected allowing the unit to rotate with the load being the activating driving force.

The fields of the magnets must be maintained during their spin movement. These magnetic fields which are encapsulated are achieved by the wiring system. The attract/release of the magnets is a function of several factors. First, the magnets attract field between north and south is completed by taking a crossing path of attract (top of one row to bottom of next, etc.). This action has the effect of fields blending into fields, and a hold-back attract does not happen. Each time a magnet set passes a coil an interchange of like energy between the coils around the magnets and the generating coils sets-up neutral polarities which are ‘release fields’ and prevents a hold-back attract.

One important magnetic assembly is the circuitry which allows this interchange of free energy. This is a recycling of a stabilized magnetic/electro energy not electro/magnetic because the field of force is not a case of electrical input, an input that created the magnetic energy, but rather a build-up of magnetic energy which caused a free energy thrust.

In further defining the workings of this unit it is important to understand that although electrical and magnetic (energy) work with similar attitudes, the manner in which they work sets-up a differing energy effect. One of these effects is that magnetic structures want to share their f1ow, compatible to the Universal Force, while electrical flow argues, (short circuits, sparks, etc.). Because of this fact the working responses (within the unit) take place, how they are needed, and when they are needed which results in a functioning unit. There is a continuous transmutation process taking place whereby magnetic energy continually generates an energy that manifests a measurable current.

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FREE ENERGY GENERATOR PARTS LIST AND CONSTRUCTION DETAILS

When building your first unit we suggest using the stated materials.

1) Aluminum Base Plate

2) Sleave Bearing, 1″ long, ½” inside diameter, oil impregnated brass.

3) 4″ long by ½” diameter Brass Shaft

4) Brass 2″ diameter Rotor, 1-3/4″ long

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5) Six rotor slots, each 1-3/4″ long by .260 deep by 23/32″ wide. These slots are spaced exactly 60 degrees apart.

6) One slot cut in center of Brass Rotor, 360 degrees around, ¼” wide by 5/16″ deep.

7) 12 slots (formed from the six slots as the 360 degree cut is made). Each slot is lined with .010 thick mica insulation.

8) A total of 228 pieces of U-shaped .040 thick copper coated steel wires. Each slot (Part #7) has 19 pieces of these wires fitted into the Mica, thus these wires do not contact the Brass rotor. The lead edge of these wires is flush with the Rotor’s outer surface and the trail edge protrudes 1/8″ above the Rotor’s outer diameter.

9) Eleven complete turns of .032 thick copper coated steel wire. These 11 turns or ‘wraps’ accumulate to 3/8″ wide and the same pattern is placed around all 12 magnets. When placed into the bent wires #8, they are a snug fit making firm contact.

10) Are 12 pieces of .005″ thick mylar insulation inserted into the cores of the wires #9.

11) 12 permanent magnets, insulated with the mylar, to not contact wires # 9. These magnets measure 3/4″ long, 5/8″ wide, 3/8″ thick and are made of a special composition and strength. Alnico 4, M-60; 12 AL, 28 Ni, 5 Co, bal Fe, Isotropic permanent magnet material cooled in magnetic field, Cast 9100 TS. 450 Brin, 2.2 Peak energy product. When inserted in the rotor the outer faces of these 12 magnets are not to be machined to a radius. The center of these magnets pass the center of the coils with 3/32″ clearance. The edges, where the wires are wrapped, pass 1/32″ away from the coils. This ‘changing magnet spacing’ aids in not only the release cycle but also contributes to rotational movement. (Sharp magnet edges which are facing the coils are to be sanded to a small smooth radius.)

12) Magnet polarity placement into Rotor.

13) Connection pattern for wires wrapped around magnets. The 12 wire wraps are divided into two sections, upper and lower of six each. There are no connections between these sections. The magnetic flow direction between the upper 6 wraps and the lower 6 wraps is attained by the ‘flow direction’ as shown in Figure 5. Viewing Figure 6 shows the wires wrapped around the magnet starting at the top ‘north’ half and then after 11 complete turns the wire exits at the lower ‘south’ half. As this wire then goes to the next magnet it arrives at an attract wire which is its ‘north’ side. Thus all wires get interconnected from south to north magnet half or north to south magnet half. The actual connections should be crimped copper clips not solder with insulation tubing to prevent contact to the Rotor body.

14) A .030 thick copper tube (stiff material) 2″ long by 2½” inside diameter.

15) Are six slots cut at the top of tube #14. These slots are 5/8″ wide by 1/32″ deep spaced at 60 degrees apart.

16) Are six slots cut at the bottom of tube #14. These slots are 5/8″ wide by 5/16″ deep and in line with the upper slots #15.

17) Six copper tube mounting points.

18) Acrylic ring to hold Part #14, measuring 3-3/4″ O.D., 2¼” I.D., 3/8″ thick bolted directly to Part #1. This ring has a .030 wide groove cut ¼”deep to allow the six copper tube mounting points, Part #17, to be inserted.

19) A .002″ thick plastic insulation paper to be placed around the inside and outside of Part #14.

20) Are six coils of insulated copper wire, each coil having 72 turns of .014 thick wire. Each coil is wound with two layers, the bottom layer to completely fill the 5/8″ wide slot with 45 turns and the top layer to span 5/16″ wide with 27 turns. To be sure each coil has the exact wire length or 72 turns, a sample length wire is wrapped then unwound to serve as a template for six lengths. A suggested coil winding method is to fill a small spool with one length then by holding the copper tube at the lower extension, then start at the plus wire in Figure 2 and temporarily secure this wire to the outer surface of the tube. Next, place the pre-measured spool of wire inside the tube, wrapping down and around the outside advancing clockwise until the 5/8″ slot is filled with 45 turns. Then, return this wire back across the top of the coil for 15/32″ and winding in the same direction again advance clock-wise placing the second layer spanned for 5/16″ with 27 turns. This method should have the second layer perfectly centered above the first layer. After winding this coil, repeat the process by again filling the small spool with another length of pre-measured wire. A very important magnetic response happens as all six coils have their second layers spaced as disclosed.

21) This number identifies the top view of the second layer.

22) Connection pattern for six coils. When the unit is driven at start-up (hand crank) for 42 seconds at 2100 RPM, all six jumper wires must be together which means the plus wire goes to the minus wire connected by the start switch. After 42 seconds the load is added to the circuit and the start switch is opened. To double check your connections between the coils, note that the finish wire of coil #1 goes to the finish wire of coil #2, which is top layer to top layer. This pattern then has start of coil 2 (bottom layer) going to start of coil 3 (also bottom layer). When the copper tube with the coils is placed around the rotor, the distance from any magnet to any coil must be identical. If it measures different, acrylic holding shapes can be bolted to the aluminum base, protruding upward, and thus push the copper tube in the direction needed to maintain the spacing as stated.

23) Wires to load.

24) Wires to start switch.

25) Rotational direction which is clock-wise when viewing from top down.

26) Acrylic dome for protection against elements.

27) Coating of clear acrylic to solidify rotor. Do not use standard motor varnish. Pre-heat the rotor and then dip it into heated liquid acrylic. After removal from dip tank, hand rotate until the acrylic hardens, then balance rotor. For balancing procedure, either add brass weights or remove brass as needed by drilling small holes into rotor on its heavy side.

28) Insulation tubing on all connections.

29) Shaft for start purposes and speed testing (if desired).

This concludes the parts list for the Mini-Romag.

This simple free energy generator demonstrates profound concepts and has a surprising number of applications. Remember, it must have a load to work, something that attracts magnetic energy. Build this unit and explore new possibilities of creating “free energy” yourself!

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141 comments
Tim
Tim

Great site. I love your positive attitude toward free energy.  I wonder If you've heard of WITTS?  They have been around for Nigh on 200 years in the field of free energy... and are still doing it today. 

poopnugget
poopnugget

To all the people saying "it's not possible, and never will be"...


That's the exact same thing that people said about airplanes, nuclear warheads, and basically everything else we enjoy today.


At one point, gravity went against the "laws of physics"

At one point, physics itself was wrong, because it didn't comply with the Bible.


So how can you sit there and say "It defied our current laws of physics, so it will never be possible"?


As far as I am concerned, it's people like that who deserve to be shunned. 


Great job contributing to the scientific community idiots!




And to the people who believe in this technology, thanks for not being the people I mentioned above.


The first people to invent airplanes were told "It defies the laws of physics, it's not possible and never will be, and you deserve to die for trying to change things"


If airplanes are against the laws of physics, I guess I am freaking Jesus, because I just stepped off of one 3 hours ago.




Seriously people, this is real, this is not a scam. I've made a small version of these "free energy generators" and it's been going for 2 months.


Keep on going people.

jleavitt84
jleavitt84

I have learned that there is nothing free in this world. You have to at least pay something in order to build the machine. Getting those supplies will cost you something so the energy you get isn't completely free.


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Magnetic energy
Magnetic energy

We have one and it's been running for 15yrs. Enough to run a city block! We are finished.

livemas
livemas

Does it really work.

ATOMMIX
ATOMMIX

HARVEY KATZ ! PLEASE SHUT UP AND LISTEN !! I am the first monkey ever to be funded to build a free energy magnetic generater by the British Government ! So stop the crap and let go of a mind of reflected doubt ! The way you talk is the way that you are ! Its your reflection stop knocking it ! And to anyone who says you cant get out more than you put in your half right but the universe came out of something and that something can simply power up another universe if its forced to so just open the tap and be careful you could create another universe so don't play with it until you know what you're dealing with ! I WILL TEACH YOU !   Who am I ? THE BEST THERE IS !  I replicated the so called NASA SECRET UFO isolated the vacuum and mapped out the bump on the surface of the proton 3.5 years before CERN even new about it  ! I also identified the universal constant in harmonics in the electrical field and its numerological constant in the hydrogen spectrum  ! Confirmed vectors in electrically charged photons at 2.2 degrees over the gravitational space time continuum ! converted the covalent bond in water into electricity isolated negative hydrogen ! Developed the human bio computer that permits science to understand cellular unity to avoid ageing ! Isolated dark matter and dark energy  that permits interdimensional framing and quantum jumping for electrons you could call that one the ghost field ! My current invention is a neutrino deep space communication system ! SO WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH YOU GUYS ? I've also got a baby bell flying saucer ! Now I am looking for some talent to work with that has not been converted by a dumb out of date physics education at a university that keeps creating brain dead morons who can't spin a proton let alone understand magnetic inertia ! And if you don't believe in aliens than your an idiot because you are an alien ! I have been within 500ft of 7 alien spacecraft and met dimensional beings ! SO PEOPLE EITHER SHUT UP OR LISTEN AND LEARN OR GO AND PLAY WITH THE IRAN FLYING SAUCER WHICH IS A FLYING NEUTRON BOMB !!!! Yours truly [email protected]

youdonsay
youdonsay

HOOOOOOOOAx! If this exists, any energy producer is to die shortly.... Come on.... We are not that dumb, aren't we? We are?? Oh....

youdonsay
youdonsay

Is that an hoax or what?????

Harvey Katz
Harvey Katz

Fascia and Soffit:Every discussion board has these posts by some company trying to sell their products. They almost never return to read anything as this is just one of possibly hundreds of ads left like bird droppings all over the internet. Their only interest is to get your money by leaving free advertisements. Their politically correct statement says nothing about the subject being discussed since it a one platitude fits all. In fact, it says absolutely nothing. Let's see if they respond at all.

Fascia and Soffit
Fascia and Soffit

Again. we have so many available options to reducing our energy use through the grid, yet there does not appear to be any indication of bringing all these resources into one organizational control. Imagine what we could do for ourselves and the planet if we were to group all of the sustainable resources and use them according to the local environment and accessibility.

Harvey Katz
Harvey Katz

Axel,Did you read and understand the previous posts? There is no free energy magnetic motor anywhere but in the minds of the dishonest and the truly stupid. It does no good to point out that the inventor is a known fraud. He never runs the motor for more than 10 or 15 minutes and won't let anyone look inside that huge coil that no doubt, houses a battery.NO ONE HAS EVER DELIVERED A WORKING MODEL OF A MAGNETIC GENERATOR TO A PUBLIC PERSON THAT IS NOT DIRECTLY PROFITING FROM THE SCAM. NOT ONCE. NOT EVER. NEVER WILL. NEVER CAN.

A guy
A guy

Harvey Katz is rightScamm all is scam nothing more. You can find the book on torrents sites.

Harvey Katz
Harvey Katz

To Last 2 posters:Your emotions or dishonesty prevent you from understanding or admitting that There Is No Working Magnetic Energy Generator in the hands of anyone but the scammers. Not one person not working with/for the scammers has one.It does not matter who I am or what you want to believe - Still there is No Working Magnetic Energy Generator, but people are being scammed out of their money every day.It does not matter that you want to be right and make me wrong so much that that you cannot comprehend the simple English words that follow: No Working Magnetic Energy Generator.Perhaps you two are not THAT stupid but are scammers still making money from this. If so, then you understand that "There is No Working Magnetic Energy Generator " but cannot ever admit it. Instead you attack me to change the subject which is why I must repeat: There is No Working Magnetic Energy Generator.You mention the Wright brothers in your attempt to change the subject. They never broke any laws of physics. They demonstrated their airplane to the public and the military for all to see, unlike the magnetic energy generator (I hope the Wright brothers forgive me for mentioning their name in the same sentence with that sad, pathetic scam, the magnetic energy generator. By the way, did I mention that "There is No Working Magnetic Energy Generator "?Oh well, I do look forward to your answers as they will get more pathetic and amusing as time goes on. You ideas on this are so silly that they really cannot have much impact at all for anyone except as entertainment. Maybe your names are Larry and Moe. Perhaps Curly will weigh in next.Please reply soon - I really enjoyed your responses.By the way, I do not have a basement since I own a ranch style house. I am employed as a network developer for a major national communications supplier I have over 40 years experience with computers. It is quite likely you are using equipment manufactured by the company I work for. What about you two? Working? Have a girl friend? Virgins? Geeks? Over 14 years old? Is your mother calling for you to clean your room? Don't be a stranger - Write Soon!!

Waverider
Waverider

"Me thinks thou dost protest too much." Such emotionally charged attacks on the magnetic generator concept leaves one with a feeling Mr. Katz that that your views on this subject are at best biased and at worst motivated by some other agenda.

dontbelievethosewhowantyoutostayawayfromthistechno
dontbelievethosewhowantyoutostayawayfromthistechno

"Yes I have the courage to use my real name – I’m proud of it. Is dontbelievethosewhowantyoutostayawayfromthistechnology your real name?"Actually no. It's Bond, James Bond.Stating you're a Mr. Katz says nothing in the world wide web. You can be an lonely, unknown and frustrated individual sitting in his basement, plugged into websites looking at porn or at the same time or hopefully unrelated to this by working for government agencies who would bring down any attempt at building alternate energy sources or even having interest on doing so.....at any cost.There's a whole world out there learning day after day more and more. You tapping into web pages dis-informing all who approach a consensus about new forms of producing cost effective sources of what you may not want to call electricity must be a hard task. The agency must have been approved a healthy budget.When the Wright brothers (those uneducated bike mechanics that invented or lets just say flew a glider with an engine) were building that first plane which well known physics professors at the time were busy writing books on how man could never fly in a sustained fashion, but glide downhill at best. Good thing the Wright brothers were not reading all the bashing of physics improbabilities of the time....or your seemingly intelligent replies funded by the companies afraid of loosing control of the world and their money.

Harvey Katz
Harvey Katz

dontbelievethosewhowantyoutostayawayfromthistechnology:Thank you for taking the time to reply. I do appreciate a real response and further believe you are sincere. Let me address each point you make:Yes I have the courage to use my real name - I'm proud of it. Is dontbelievethosewhowantyoutostayawayfromthistechnology your real name?"Why are you here in the first place? (etc.)" Should we who know for sure this is a scam (let this pass for now - will address it later) just be quiet and let thousands of people throw their money away? A good citizen does not be quiet while others are made to suffer. I know some people consider this being a "Busy Body" but that attitude allows all manner of crimes to go uncontrolled and rampant. I will not be quiet nor can anyone shame me into it."So, are we to believe EVERYTHING remotely related to producing energy outside the corporations we pay to provide the same is all a scam? "This is a common method of debate used by first year college students taking a debating class. Make some stupid statement and try to attribute it to the opposition. The answer? This is your statement not mine. I don't believe it and neither do you. We agree on that. I want to see energy produced by anyone who can openly demonstrate a valid technology."Take a small electric motor…a toy motor, that contains two magnets opposing each other. Place a big enough wheel where a gear might be and plug ...... etc.)Yes it can make electricity - no argument there. But wait a minute - the energy is supplied by YOU turning it. The magnets can change your energy of motion to the energy of electricity. The magnets do not contribute any energy whatsoever. Your energy expenditure can be measured and related to how much current is generated. If you don't turn the motor, you'll never get electricity unless it gets struck by lightning. You do not have a high level of scientific knowledge - that does not make you stupid. But you should learn more before getting into areas you know little about. You are smart enough to learn, but are you man enough to change your mind (if warranted)."You are the one creating confusion and scaring people off this true principle. Laws of physics broken??"No public person outside the magnetic energy scammers has ever been in possession of a working model. Not one. Not ever. This has been around for 20 years - still no working model can be built by an independent person. This is an important principal of science called repeatability. Others must be able to duplicate a principal without the inventor involved or present. This is so important because it eliminates the scammers."Your partner tells a physics student not to use this topic for risk of looking stupid?"Another debating 101 ploy - I have no partners here and only speak for myself."Distracting thought over this subject renders you a total fake individual who most definitely work’s as part of an internet team overlooking these topics with an agenda to dis-inform all. "How about promoting a product that no one can make work? Why hasn't anyone put one in an electric car or golf card and driven across the country? Put one in a suspended isolated cage to show it works? Had a beta sight somewhere in a well known company or two (like the Bloom Box). No one doubt the Bloom Box works and it's only been out a year or two. Why? Because others can make it work."..Use of Clickbank is ALWAYS a scam regardless of the product. Clickbank seeks to deceive people into thinking that this is a legitimate post by a person..."I said this and I was wrong in that I did not know enough about Clickbank. I apologize for this but still stand by my other statements until someone can prove otherwise in a logical and scientific manner.Signed H Katz

dontbelievethosewhowantyoutostayawayfromthistechno
dontbelievethosewhowantyoutostayawayfromthistechno

Mr. Katz (if that is who you really are)Why are you here in the first place? If you don't believe this works or any work related to technology capable of producing electricity by any means and more in this case of magnets, unplug yourself from this page and move on with your life, instead of posing as the guardian angel of electricity producing corporations and the government. People can read around the lines.....So, are we to believe EVERYTHING remotely related to producing energy outside the corporations we pay to provide the same is all a scam?Take a small electric motor...a toy motor, that contains two magnets opposing each other. Place a big enough wheel where a gear might be and plug the cables that would normally be connected to a power source and connect them to a small LED. Place a digital voltmeter for reading purposes. Turn that wheel around sufficiently enough and you WILL get that LED to turn on! That, in itself, disproves you. There is technology that is based on this principle that can produce what you impose people to believe is impossible. You are a troller, plain and simple. How much do you get paid for dis-informing the masses?You are the one creating confusion and scaring people off this true principle. Laws of physics broken??Your partner tells a physics student not to use this topic for risk of looking stupid?Distracting thought over this subject renders you a total fake individual who most definitely work's as part of an internet team overlooking these topics with an agenda to dis-inform all.How-was-that-again.....? First you press a statement...then you throw it on someone else?"..I admit my only impression of clickbank is what I got from your first message..."If this is true, then explain this:"..Use of Clickbank is ALWAYS a scam regardless of the product. Clickbank seeks to deceive people into thinking that this is a legitiamate post by a person who has really purchases the product and used it taking time to do their own posting. The only object is to make money by the scammer...." This statement clearly says your mindset. This quote alone give's you away. So, why should we believe any of your stories here?And please don't come up with that lousy line stating this has been an "automated response"......LOL...

Harvey Katz
Harvey Katz

It would be a full time job keeping the stupid from throwing money away on ridiculous scams like the magnetic energy generator. Even so, the stupid are also stubborn in their intent to be losers in that they refuse to hear or even recognize the truth. They cannot even understand the following simple fact. In all this time (20 years or more the scam has been around) there is not one working example in the possession of a regular person not associated with the scammers. Not one. Not Ever. How stupid must one be to believe a video on the internet?

Harvey Katz
Harvey Katz

Daniel, A web video is not proof of anything. Your link is invalid, just like the magnetic generator. A working example in the possession of a regular person not associated with the scammers would be convincing. That cannot happen since there is not a single real working example. You should stop wasting time searching for someone that claims it works. It just has never worked for anybody. It cannot possibly ever work. Get on with your life. Your intentions are good but this is a scam that's been around for at least 15 years (look up Dennis Lee and his free energy generators). In all this time not one working example in the possession of a regular person not associated with the scammers. Not one. Not Ever.

Daniel
Daniel

This site claim they build a magnetic generator http://www/topmagneticgenerator.com I wonder if you have seen more evidence of someone who can show the magnet generator actually working - something like video that you can see it working

Harvey Katz
Harvey Katz

Will,So why isn't there a single example of anyone building a working model? Not one built anywhere by an independent person. Only the scammers with a phony demo.The comments by "will" were probably an automated response so there most likely will be no answer.

will
will

Nobody would go to all this trouble, give you all this information for free, if there was not something to it. This is a good one. Can't wait to build it.

Harvey Katz
Harvey Katz

Thalia,Thank you for responding. I admit my only impression of clickbank is what I got from your first message. I was only responding to what you said about the auto-post program that posts to discussion groups posing as a user. I feel that use of this type of posting is a deception. I hope you are not defending this criminal behavior or trying to create some kind of argument or confusion that it's ok to deceive people to get their money. The reason I responded the way I did is that people that want to believe in something will take any glimmer of hope that it works and turn it into a belief that results in their wasting good money to purchase a scam. I'm trying to stamp out that magical belief system in their minds by slamming the door on any thought whatsoever that the Magniworks/Parendev devices are anything but a cold calculated scam to steal money from innocent people.Now a solar panel can really work and can help supply energy. Best of wishes on your plan to build one.

Thalia
Thalia

I just think it takes away from the original discussion here to go chasing clickbank rabbits especially considering that based on your posts you don't understand how the service works.As for the following comment you made... "I would be interested in how you can justify deceiving people into thinking you bought a product and used it when all you are trying to do is make money selling the product..." I don't really understand what you're trying to say?I'm guessing you think I'm referring to the magnetic generator here. Yes, I have the plans. They are the same as these as far as I can tell, which is why I wanted to see what others had to say about this. No, I'm not going to try to build it, but my friend was interested so I gave them to him. After reading what everyone here has to say, I don't expect that they will work. And so this has possibly been helpful.However, I also got the plans to build a solar panel which I will be helping to build.

Harvey Katz
Harvey Katz

Thalia,You make your point about click bank and then try to stifle any response by saying "this page is not intended to be a discussion about clickbank. So, that’s all I’ll say on the subject."I don't buy your attempt at censorship and you may say more on the subject if you wish - I encourage any and all discussion and will only respect you for sticking with it.As your first message implied Clickbank can be used along with an auto-poster program to send phony testimonials to discussion boards. This fools people into thinking that the poster purchased the product with their own money and was satisfied with it. Instead, it's an attempt to make money from the product. Do you understand the scam and misrepresentation portrayed? You say that it will refund your money. NOT TRUE. No one who has purchased a magnetic energy set of plans has ever received their money back. The web site they bought it from simply disappears or won't respond. (Note to scammers: Please do not bother posting that you got your money back - you've tried that trick before.) I would be interested in how you can justify deceiving people into thinking you bought a product and used it when all you are trying to do is make money selling the product.Miguel: You seem to have a small misunderstanding so let me make this perfectly clear. The magnetic motor is a total fabrication and scam. It cannot run even for a millisecond on it's own even without a load. The famous Perendev motor demo was a total scam. All they did was put an AC powered magnet (a coil of wire with a load to keep the fuse from blowing) UNDER the table out of site. The rotor does spin because it's a magnet responding to the AC magnet's constant pole reversal from under the table. No physics laws broken here, only moral codes. The energy to run is supplied from the AC current running through the coil under the table, NOT from the permanent magnet used as a rotor.Please note: No one outside the Parendev scam community has ever seen one spin. No one. Not ever. Not once. Never did. Never will. This is the GOLDEN STANDARD of scam detection. If a device can be made to work by the general public, it's probably real. If it's restricted to ONLY demos from the inventors and videos on the internet from foreign countries, it's a scam. The scientific community calls this REPEATABILITY. Please believe it so you do not become a scam victim.

Thalia
Thalia

Hi Harvey, You seemed to have made up your mind already about the clickbank thing. I'm not some huge supporter of clickbank or whatever, so you can think what you want obviously. In fact, I should probably just walk away instead of pointing out that clickbank is merely a tool used by people who have created a product they want to sell. The tool enables others to promote and sell the product for a commission. So, saying clickbank is a scam is like saying eBay is a scam just because some of the sellers (and buyers) on eBay are "greedy" or even outright scammers or some of the products are crap. And just like with eBay you have to do your homework and use common sense with clickbank. So I buy the products and read them before I'll promote them. (It's kinda hard, btw, to read a document you don't have access to unless you buy it.) And just like with paypal, clickbank gives refunds on everything with which you aren't satisfied. Anyway, this page is not intended to be a discussion about clickbank. So, that's all I'll say on the subject. Sorry I said anything to begin with really. Thanks anyway, t

Miguel
Miguel

Personally I have never seen any of the magnetic motors light up even the tiniest LED. All Examples even on YouTube are vague and simply don t work. Now that doesn t mean magnetic motors won t work, but thinking that magnets have energy stored or can produce overunity is WRONG ! Up to day the only magnet motor I have seen running is the Perendev Motor BUT without any load. A 1 kW load (a home appliance) needs the generator to produce 1kW ( for an efficiency of 100% ) and so the magnetic motor need to produce 1kW. There is no way around this fact. 1kW in = 1kW out (for a friction less motor in vaccuum ). PERIOD!

Miguel
Miguel

@Dea Dea, to put it simple. You cannot create Energy out of nothing! There is a misunderstanding: Free Energy is not Overunity. An Overunity generator would have a higher output in energy than input. Then there is also the energy loss due to friction. No machine has a 100% efficiency because you loose energy due to friction, that is why generators and motors produce heat. Even if the 0 friction machine existed it would be "only" 100% efficient and nothing more. The amount of energy in the Universe is constant that is why you can only transform energy but not produce more than is available. Read about Thermodynamics and specially the chapter about Entropy.About magnetic energy: This term is commonly used but leads to misunderstanding. Magnets in it self do not produce energy. Their polarization creates a force field that can induce electricity. Induced electricity are electrons in motion. It is the principal of all dynamos and generators.Free Energy: Of course energy is freely available. But tapping into it is more or less expensive, because you need machines for that and you need to distribute that energy. That is not for free unfortunately.A magnet motor is supposed to have its magnetic force fields interact with other magnetic force fields to create a rotation of a rotor. As you know from physics the kynetic energy is m * v2 / 2. The rotor has a mass and now that is is spinning has also a certain amount of energy built up. There are formulas to calculate the kynetic energy of fly wheels. The output of such a magnetic motor would be E output = E input * % efficiency of attached generator. The magnetic force field need to be strong enough to keep the rotation such that the generator can produce enough electricity for appliances. The difficulty resides in finding the correct alignment of the magnets such that the mutual push/pull keep the rotor spinning, BUT even so called permanent magnets loose their force over time, a very long time: about 400 years. Such a motor would produce energy for free. At some point in time the force fields will weaken and the loss due to friction will eventually slow down and stop the rotor.There is a lot of SCAM around this topic. Harvey is right. The truth is also that you will never be able to produce enough energy with magnets to lighten a city. But it could be used to produce small amounts of energy for home appliances. It is also true that energy companies wouldn t like you to create a machine that makes them loose money. This has nothing to do with conspiracy! Its about loss of business. As long as oil companies are lobbying governments, it will be difficult to put electric cars on the market. Again it s just business.In an earlier post I gave an example of how much energy you would save just by producing 1kW of energy per household. Its thousands of tera watts! just for the US and Europe.For your physics class a warning here: In your own interest I would not use this as a topic. There is so much scam about this that you risk to make yourself look stupid. You can still keep it as a personal "secret project". But there is something that may be interesting and I mentioned it above. Fly wheel technology. This technology is used to store energy and you would definitely need it in conjunction with a magnetic motor. You may also want to look into "magnetic bearings" that allow almost friction less rotation. That way you have a topic for your class that allows you to work on elements needed for your "secret" magnet motor project and you learn a lot about magnets and their force fields.Happy Physics!

Dea
Dea

Harvey,In some earlier posts you were talking about why this cant work.... some laws that it breaks... could you explain that to me

Harvey Katz
Harvey Katz

Dea,No one can ever state a scientific principal for this so called magnetic energy generator because it doesn't have one. It's based solely on magic thinking and hopes and wishes along with the callous greed of the scammers compounded by a lack of education by the public and a lack of resolve by the authorities. One could just as well ask for a scientific principal that allows Peter Pan to fly and never grow old (maybe he uses a magnetic energy generator).Good Luck

Dea
Dea

Harvey, Miguel, and others with real scientific evidence, whether supporting or against magnetic generators,I am a high school student (in America, though I'm not sure thats relevant), and I am currently in a physics class. I have an interesting assignment to argue both sides of a debate about any topic concerning energy (worldwide). In searching for a unique topic to argue, I found the magnetic generators. I was searching for legitimate information, and found this... blog of sorts. I am very interested in this, and have planed to do my project on this topic. So now what I'm needing is not just yes it works, or no it doesn't, but why or why not?I have begun to form my own opinion, but one thing I do not understand, in arguing the side that these do not work is the point about defying the laws of physics or thermodynamics. Is it physics or is it thermodynamics? And if there is a specific law, could someone please give me a simple explanation of this law? I'm not incompetent, so not all of this information goes over my head, but I have only completed 1 and a half semesters of first year physics. Any information that can be provided would be greatly helpful.In reality everyone should be able to speak for and against both sides of the argument, but to each individual there will always be one reason why their side is right. From reading, I have learned each of your opinions, but what I am requesting for this purpose is fact.Thanks for your help, and making this project so interesting (without even realizing it... have to love irony)!

Harvey Katz
Harvey Katz

Mark,The technology has no potential. There's not even a little truth in what is said. No unit has ever been shown to even run itself with no load outside the scam community (like in the possession of a real person not associated with the scam). If you even think the technology has some potential, then you are a potential scam victim. One does not have to show that something works to get a patent. Law enforcement cares little if you get scammed. They only act if forced to do so.Permanent magnets are not stored energy. Never have been, never will be. Spend the time learning real science.There is no device on planet earth that defies the laws of physics. None. Not one. Not ever. What are the chances that YOU can spend $50 on the internet and build the first one? Face reality - this pipe dream does not exist. Let's all stamp out this kind of magical thinking and drive the scammers into obscurity and poverty where they belong.

Mark
Mark

Okay then, if this stuff really really works, where can I buy one commercially?These Permanent Magnetic Generators have been around for years, and not one single company has one for sale? I find that very hard to swallow.The reason why you can only buy these things as 'kits', is so they can turn around and say, \you must have done something wrong\. If it did work as claimed, patents would have been copied but slightly modified and commercial units would be for sale everywhere.If you look around the net, the plans for these 'kits' are freely available and are essentially the same as the bogus companies are selling, but if you look through them, there is no in depth information, no close up pictures or guides, and it isn't really a 'how to', it's just a rough guide to something that will look roughly like they advertise. In the magniwork instruction manual as an example, the first 5 pages are full of really useful power saving tips like not leaving your lights on... no shit!I think the technology itself has some potential, but as has already been said on here somewhere, the units are always seen just driving themselves perpetually, but they never have any load attached.

Harvey Katz
Harvey Katz

Thalia,Use of Clickbank is ALWAYS a scam regardless of the product. Clickbank seeks to deceive people into thinking that this is a legitiamate post by a person who has really purchases the product and used it taking time to do their own posting. The only object is to make money by the scammer. Scammers always think they are smarter than anyone else. It's too bad that the law never seems to really catch up to the scammers.Like all criminals, scammers can ALWAYS justify what they do, especially to themselves. Forget ethics, religion or any other consideration. There is only greed behind it - it's all about ME, ME, ME and only ME. Reading and researching a product is NOT the same as spending your money on it and using it. Click bank seeks to make people think that a real person has purchased and used a product when it is not true.There can be no justification for this behavior.

Thalia
Thalia

To be honest, there's no point in replying to the scammers leaving little clickbank droppings here and there, because they are probably using an auto-poster program which searches out blogs, guestbooks and any other page with comments enabled. The search is done using whatever keywords are desired and the comment is usually something very vague but meant to sound personal and relevant. It's better if the site owner just deletes the ads he does not want to promote.Clickbank is the affiliate network used by most of the people selling these magnetic engine plans. Anytime you see a "hoplink" in the post, it's clickbank. I know this because I'm a clickbank member, but some of us actually recommend products responsibly instead of just trying to make a quick buck by taking advantage of people.I won't promote anything I haven't read and researched first. I found this page by looking into renewable energies and back-up generators. I had not planned on promoting the generator but considered another plan (solar panels) offered by the same seller and now I see that I might need to rethink that because if they sell one product that's bogus, chances are their other products may be lacking something too.Thanks for this information. It's been helpful.

Harvey Katz
Harvey Katz

Chris,Please read point number 4 in my above reply to ICEYICU. It says:4. Be careful. Someone is sure to post that they did get their money back or got it to work. This would be written by a criminal trying to steal more money from people with this scam.Chris - In my not so humble opinion, this would describe you but there is almost no chance you would read this as these scammers just go from one site to another posting these "fishing hooks" to catch more fish.In the unlikely event you read this; NO ONE HAS EVER DELIVERED A WORKING MODEL OF A MAGNETIC GENERATOR TO A PUBLIC PERSON THAT IS NOT DIRECTLY PROFITING FROM THE SCAM. NOT ONCE. NOT EVER. NEVER WILL. NEVER CAN.

Chris
Chris

Me and my dad recently set up a magnet power generator our house. It was pretty easy and only took about 2 hours to set up. My dad said hes saving a lot now on the electricity bill for only 2 hours of work. the instructions to build one were pretty simple and easy to follow. We got them through here http://a2b60br4s0bz8pb6fb086-1d3o/?tid=2010 . I definitely recommend magnetizing your home, it's good for the environment (using less electricity) and saves you a lot of money on the bills.

Harvey Katz
Harvey Katz

In my opinion, this site appears to support and promote technologies that are scientifically impossible. These are also known as scams. They can never be delivered to anyone outside the inventor/scammer as a working unit. Never, not once, not ever, yet this site continues to enable these criminals.Please do not support this site.

Harvey Katz
Harvey Katz

Hi Iceyyou,Thanks for your comment. Magnetic energy is absolutely bogus. No one outside the inventors themselves have ever claimed to make one work. They cannot deliver a working unit to anybody. Never. Not one time. There will be people that post that it works but they are the criminals trying to get your money. They try to confuse the issue. Their only purpose is to get your money. We've all seen test solar powered cars. We've all seen battery powered cars coming on to the market. We've all seen hybrid cars on the market. We've all seen wind power generators. No one has ever seen a magnetic power generator working in the hands of a regular person not associated with the so called inventor. No power company is trying to stop wind power or solar power and these are really being used every day. The magnetic generator people like to claim that the big power companies are trying to stop them. Why would they need to? It doesn't even work.If you buy plans for a magnetic generator this is what always happens:1. After you try to build it and cannot understand the plans, they will blame you and tell you it's your fault.2. If you do build it, it won't work - they will blame you.3. You will NEVER get your money back no matter what.4. Be careful. Someone is sure to post that they did get their money back or got it to work. This would be written by a criminal trying to steal more money from people with this scam.The magnetic generator qualifies as a perpetual motion machine which can never be realized since it breaks the known laws of physics. These laws have never been broken. People have tried for thousands of years and have not succeeded. They never will.HK

Iceyyou
Iceyyou

Hey Harvey, It is Les on this side, but you can call me anything you want except for "late to dinner" please. I finally finished reading this page of comments and loved all of the comments you had to say. They where the best when you were replying to Sebastian. I have been looking up information on solar energy, wind turbines, hydroenergy, and also magnetic energy to help my family and I become more ecofriendly. Do you believe all magnetic energy is bogus or do you think it is possible. You seem to be alot more intelligent than I am, but I won't learn unless I keep trying to figure out topics I do not know about. I was trying to read Sebastian's comments and could have sworn I was trying to figure out a cryptoquip. Sorry Sebastian, I only know English and a little Spanish. I can't wait to see what new comments appear in the next month or so. Everyone, try to enjoy the conversation and Sebastian, lay off on the profanity. It just makes it sound like you have a smaller vocabulary than you really do. :D

Harvey Katz
Harvey Katz

Everyone:Example of genuine breakthrough versus a scam:The recently announced Bloom Box (Google it). It creates electricity directly from any flammable gas with no flame - uses air circulation to supply air (oxygen). We know it's not a scam because eBay, Walmart, Coca-Cola, and FedEx, all of them big-name companies (also including Google), are beta customers of Bloom’s distributed energy fuel cell technology (which was the subject of a 60 Minutes profile on Sunday and various other stories since then). They have been using the box for up to 9 months generating electricity for about 3 to 5 cents per kilowatt cheaper then what the electric companies charge. A relatively small unit can power a house but the price is still too high for the individual home owner. The power companies never tried to interfere and indeed may be possible customers themselves.Now let's look at the infamous magnetic energy generators. 1. No beta sites in any known companies. 2. Continual whining for more money and saying the power companies are against them. 3. Won't (can't) deliver a working unit to anybody. 4. Won't (can't) deliver a working unit to anybody. I repeated that last point for those that still believe in magnetic energy since they are a bit slow and are to be pitied. You have to pay money for plans so YOU can be blamed for it not working when you build it. The same can be said for using water as a fuel.Notice the Bloom box is delivered as a working unit, and the company has fixed any problems for FREE (clogged air filters).That should settle the belief in magnetic energy generators for all but the stupid and those criminals trying to still make money off this scam. But don't fear, one of these criminals is sure to post that they bought the plans and it's working great.

Harvey Katz
Harvey Katz

Olatunde Adesegun Aroloye,Sorry - It was just that you have a very unusual name. The way I test for a scam is simply can other people duplicate whatever the reported effect is and does it violate the known laws of physics. These two rules taken together have always exposed scams. With cold fusion, these people made a genuine error. How do we know? They were honest enough to publish all the details. Other people then tried it and located their mistakes. No one had to threaten to kill them since they expected others to duplicate their results. There are many people who will simply not respond to those kinds of threats. Many others reveals those threats on their deathbed regardless. That's how science works. Even if something appears to violate the known laws of physics, if others can make it work, we will figure out why and change the laws of physics. With water as a fuel, no one has ever shown that it is possible to liberate hydrogen and oxygen with less energy than can be obtained by burning the hydrogen and oxygen. It also is against the known laws of thermodynamics that have not yet been broken. If someone discovers this, let them publish it for all to try. Do big companies try to hide things? Absolutely! Are they any good at it? Not in the long run. Don't give the big companies the power of gods. They are not that smart or competent. For some reason, great discoveries are usually discovered by multiple people in the world even though they are not aware of each other's work. Also, all large companies have some honest people working for them and the secrets are virtually always disclosed soon after. People were saying the electric car was being suppressed yet the Tesla is now on sale with over 700 units delivered. General Motors (see movie Who killed the Electric Car?) will soon be selling the Chevy Volt, a car superior to the old EV1 by far, and for much less money then the EV1 cost in the first place. The EV1 simply was not ready or financially ready to be sold. It was just a research project. Also, Nissan will be selling its electric car, the Leaf, this year. So much for THAT conspiracy. Ok - there IS a conspiracy against using water as fuel - it's called the second law of thermodynamics. Let's put all the Scientists and mother nature in jail!!See conspiracies where there are none does not make one very believable. The scammers are the first ones to cry conspiracy as a smart way to attract investment money for scams.How to spot a scam every time:1. Inventor claims the big companies are trying to suppress his invention.2. No one else can make it work outside his control (hey - drive a car across the country with only water as a fuel and do it in public - no need to reveal any secrets).3. It's never quite ready yet - we just need a little more money (like YOUR money right now).Take Care - I used my real name as well :) HK

Olatunde Adesegun Aroloye
Olatunde Adesegun Aroloye

How can there NOT be a "conspiracy?" The energy monopolists are going to just sit there and let their $Billions per year unnecessary profits go down the drain without a struggle? THEY'D BETTER "CONSPIRE!"I was very excited to hear in the min 1990s that someone had found that the simple way to produce Cold Hydrogen Fusion was by electrolyzing Heavy Water (i.e. Deuterium Oxide). Within months we were building castles on the Moon, so to speak! The Oceans would provide enough energy for thousands of years.Then, suddenly, they began to tell us that it was all a silly mistake! These scientists had rushed into print without checking their figures, and had stupidly omitted some decimal point, where they were not producing fusion at all- but just made a very expensive coffee warmer, is all.Is it easier to believe that otherwise sensible men made such a silly mistake, or is it more likely that they were given a simple choice: "Discredit yourselves, OR DIE!!!"It doesn't take 10 minutes on Google to verify that I am using my real name, despite the inadvisability of doing so. I don't think I have anywhere near the status that CIA Black Ops would come knocking politely on my door- with M60 D.U. to give me the choice to "Shut up, and DIE!" or else to "Shut up, and DIE!"Since the Christmas Bomber (MK-ULTRA) setup hoax, my country has been put on the list of terrorist-supporting nations. (WE- who can't even support our old-age pensioners!) Maybe it is a CIA roundabout way of finding an excuse to drop a bomb on my house (which they must have located through ECHELON,) claiming that they thought a drone saw Osama was buying a bottle of Coke there.

Olatunde Adesegun Aroloye
Olatunde Adesegun Aroloye

Harvey Katz wrote on 21/11/09:>>>By the way, any claim to use water as a fuel for a car or to improve mileage is a scam. Water is not a fuel because it takes more energy to free the hydrogen and oxygen atoms (electrolysis)then you can get by using the gasses. It doesn’t matter what method is used to free the gases, it will always take more energy then you can get from the liberated gases (it’s that annoying first law of thermodynamics again).<<<During the 1970s, I remember seeing a serious newspaper article announcing: "MOTORISTS TO SOON FILL UP WITH MILK." The piece went on to explain that there was an experiment to use an ultrasonically emulsified mixture of petrol and water to fuel cars being tried out. This would presumably increase mileage and reduce pollution. This was all I ever heard about the project,which I believe happened somewhere in Great Britain.I do not believe that everyone advertising water-for-fuel is a scam artist. I believe that some people have discovered things and know things that those of us whose knowledge stops with what "They" let us learn in school do not yet know.

BDI
BDI

Hello Everybody,can somebody help me with contact to producer of home free energy generator ? I want to purchase generator with min output 24KW. Thank you in advance... bdi

Harvey Katz
Harvey Katz

Sebastian,Thank you for your response. It seems that you are a nice intelligent person after all!Although governments are necessary, don't turn your back on any of them.As far as Tesla goes, some scientists here built a very large Tesla coil to test his theory of transmitting energy after reviewing his papers on the subject (Discovery channel special called Mad Electricity). Our government took all of his papers just before world war 2 and then released them some years after. We can never be sure if they released them all. Anyway, the papers on energy transmission through the air were released and were recently tried with a 1/4 scale Tesla coil. As expected, it did transmit a small amount of energy a short distance. The conclusion is that there is no known technology or reason to believe it could be made to be practical due to energy losses through the air at distance not to mention possible health risks to people. The amount of energy required would be impracticable and wasteful. Remember, every great scientist has some ideas that can never work. Tesla was a great scientist and inventor and is credited by our supreme court with inventing the radio. Most people believe Marconi invented the radio but, as I recall, he used about 17 of Tesla's patents in it. Marconi did work very hard on perfecting this and deserves some credit, but the US supreme court credited the rights of the radio patents to Tesla and his descendants. Tesla was also responsible for our use of AC current (his greatest contribution which he donated his rights for free) and published the theory of radar. Unfortunately, it would be many years before technology could be developed to implement it (radar).Take care.HK

sebastian
sebastian

dear Harvey.Y understand your point of view that you want to help others to don´t whaste their money and y know that USA constitution sustain the right to free speech. but let´s think a bit. just a bit. why ANS whant´s to use some cryptographic chip made especialy by them in all the electronichs like phones or other stuff that use encrypted data transfer? easy...so they ca listen all people and intercept all private data send between two or more person. y know this because some time y´we work in this area like hobby. this is a fact search in your lovely google other one is the rfid chip they want to implant,the code it send´s begin with 666,why this number because also y know much abouth rfid and in a rfid sistem you can send any number. you can be a good physician but y am a good informatician. and y guess you read Bible...and also know this is the number of mamon in the juish religion. also,my dear Harvey do you know that bush ex-president and it´s family are gods in oil domain. you american fellows cut the founds for tesla´s job when he start made that tower to deliver energy for free. this is a fact it´s not lie. y am not interested in free energy,this is a point you are presume you don´t understand. y don´t want to make some perpetual motor,y know the laws of thermodinamics. y search for a motor which get´s a higgher randament,or a motor wich convert better a kind of energy in another.

oldman
oldman

@Chris   where can I get plans to build the model you describe  Kermamatthewsyahoo.com

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