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	<title>Comments on: BYD F3DM: Chevy Volt Technology, Cheaper, Chinese, Available Today</title>
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		<title>By: L2</title>
		<link>http://www.greenoptimistic.com/2008/12/15/byd-f3dm-chinese-electric-car/comment-page-1/#comment-16809</link>
		<dc:creator>L2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 06:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BYD is largest manufacturer for batteries , if you takin abt gasoline / combustion engine , they are no way as experienced as the established player like VW or Toyota.
However the most important thing to consider if you are talking about fully electric car , batteries are the source of power and BYD has got over a decade of head start in this field , and the rest of the car makers are just sratching the surface in electrical stored energy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BYD is largest manufacturer for batteries , if you takin abt gasoline / combustion engine , they are no way as experienced as the established player like VW or Toyota.<br />
However the most important thing to consider if you are talking about fully electric car , batteries are the source of power and BYD has got over a decade of head start in this field , and the rest of the car makers are just sratching the surface in electrical stored energy.</p>
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		<title>By: freeplay</title>
		<link>http://www.greenoptimistic.com/2008/12/15/byd-f3dm-chinese-electric-car/comment-page-1/#comment-2700</link>
		<dc:creator>freeplay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I agree with Kelly it is obvious that the Chinese have a good thing going; I mean Buffet doesn&#039;t just buy 10 percent of a bad marketing scheme.  I think the richest person in the world knows a little bit about what he&#039;s investing in and you don&#039;t see him sinkin&#039; any money in the big three.  Our government on the other hand, still thinks you can make coal clean even after you tear off mountain tops and have huge slurry storage spills like the recent one in TN.  Why didn&#039;t we listen to Buffet when he warned us against the derivatives market too!  We need new direction and I don&#039;t mean Obama, I mean whole systems thinking.  INNOVATE EVERYWHERE!  If instead of propping our economy on the housing market we could have invested in innovation there is no way we would be in the mess we&#039;re in now.  Luckily good things may come of messes too.  Lets hope so.

I write at www.punkrockpermaculture.wordpress.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I agree with Kelly it is obvious that the Chinese have a good thing going; I mean Buffet doesn&#8217;t just buy 10 percent of a bad marketing scheme.  I think the richest person in the world knows a little bit about what he&#8217;s investing in and you don&#8217;t see him sinkin&#8217; any money in the big three.  Our government on the other hand, still thinks you can make coal clean even after you tear off mountain tops and have huge slurry storage spills like the recent one in TN.  Why didn&#8217;t we listen to Buffet when he warned us against the derivatives market too!  We need new direction and I don&#8217;t mean Obama, I mean whole systems thinking.  INNOVATE EVERYWHERE!  If instead of propping our economy on the housing market we could have invested in innovation there is no way we would be in the mess we&#8217;re in now.  Luckily good things may come of messes too.  Lets hope so.</p>
<p>I write at <noindex><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.greenoptimistic.com/goto/http://www.punkrockpermaculture.wordpress.com"  rel="nofollow">http://www.punkrockpermaculture.wordpress.com</a></noindex></p>
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		<title>By: kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anonymous,

Do research. The F3DM battery is 20 kw/hr &amp; the Volt&#039;s is 16 kw/hr. BYD isn&#039;t begging for our tax dollars like GM.</description>
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<p>Do research. The F3DM battery is 20 kw/hr &amp; the Volt&#8217;s is 16 kw/hr. BYD isn&#8217;t begging for our tax dollars like GM.</p>
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		<title>By: Is there a future for the auto industry? Re-engineer the whole scene. &#171; empowering by koppany varga</title>
		<link>http://www.greenoptimistic.com/2008/12/15/byd-f3dm-chinese-electric-car/comment-page-1/#comment-2586</link>
		<dc:creator>Is there a future for the auto industry? Re-engineer the whole scene. &#171; empowering by koppany varga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and the like. Do not plan any single new car in the old system. Consider keeping Chevy Volt? The Chinese are already there. With half the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.greenoptimistic.com/2008/12/15/byd-f3dm-chinese-electric-car/comment-page-1/#comment-2545</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lol!!!!

This is a joke!!  The amount of range this thing is described as having, while possible in the form factor, would still need to be huge.  GM&#039;s Volt has an all-electric range of 40 miles.  This is NOT the total capacity of the battery.  It is roughly double that.  The problem with these batteries is that over repeated charging and depleting that the capacity of the battery degrades over time.  Hence GM&#039;s decision to only drain to about 30% and only charge up to about 80%.  This prolongs the life of the battery.

It is clear this Chinese manufacturer has merely removed any desire to engineer for longevity, allowing the full capacity of the battery.  I am sure this thing comes with a worthless warranty.  If the battery tech is superior, why aren&#039;t Toyota and GM using it? Marketing BS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol!!!!</p>
<p>This is a joke!!  The amount of range this thing is described as having, while possible in the form factor, would still need to be huge.  GM&#8217;s Volt has an all-electric range of 40 miles.  This is NOT the total capacity of the battery.  It is roughly double that.  The problem with these batteries is that over repeated charging and depleting that the capacity of the battery degrades over time.  Hence GM&#8217;s decision to only drain to about 30% and only charge up to about 80%.  This prolongs the life of the battery.</p>
<p>It is clear this Chinese manufacturer has merely removed any desire to engineer for longevity, allowing the full capacity of the battery.  I am sure this thing comes with a worthless warranty.  If the battery tech is superior, why aren&#8217;t Toyota and GM using it? Marketing BS.</p>
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