A REAL and WORKING Magnetic Motor Spinning Indefinitely


Working Magnetic MotorOk, I saw this on Gizmodo (unexpectedly), and despite the fact that I’ve been blogging for five years now I’ve never actually seen something this amazing – the famous magnetic motor spinning by itself indefinitely, like this video shows.

Now, I don’t think there’s any trick involved, there couldn’t be, could it? Just watch the whole movie. If you see anything suspicious, let me know.

Magnetic motors have always fascinated me. I’ve even endorsed schematics of magnetic motors hoping that someday, someone will find the proper recipe and post it on youtube without being called names and accused of scamming people.

Also read: How to Beat the Agony of a Dying Phone Battery

Of course, those magnets you see in the video will eventually wear out in years, but the concept is great – it could be applied even further with stronger magnets. Just see the video and shout your opinions out. I urge you to.

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AK saxena
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AK saxena

Actually by moving hand at right time you are providing power.

Jack B.
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Jack B.

If this actually works, then why haven’t we hooked it up to some kind of generator, this would be the perfect kind of renewable energy.

Joe
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Joe

What if you had a sphere that you encapsulate with a larger hollow sphere causing the internal speere to be in a state of suspended animation. The internal sphere you could put a little ammount of force causing it to spin this would be a way to create propulsion. Idk just a thought havent seen anyone anywhere show this.

Mark Strange
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Mark Strange

What if we made a machine much like sun and earth ,With the earth spinning around it With it’s own spin..The sun’s magnetic field pulling and pushing and the earth pushing and pulling and then have magnets pulling and pushing the earth ,Which would create energy And with this energy ,Ply some back into the motor to keep the magnets charged And the other you run through a coil to charge the electricity for our use.Would this work ? I know friction would slow it down.Could we cool it down to work.

Fodagus
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Fodagus

Hi Mark, I posted a longer reply to this in another comment, but I wanted to address you directly as well. So, there’s a couple of angles to this. What you’re talking about is putting an inductor into a spinning magnetic field. First off: would it work? Well, depends on what you mean. With the Sun and the Earth, no… it wouldn’t work. The Sun’s magnetic field and Earth’s magnetic field don’t play in a way that we could really pull this off. There exists some places in the solar system where it would though! I can’t remember which, but… Read more »

Tim
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I have read all the comments on the magnetic motor area and done lots of experiments that have been demonstrated in many videos. Some of the videos are obviously fakes. You can even see wires leading to the fake machine. I have one big comment! Show me someone, on the internet, that can sell me a working magnet based machine, for any price. There is none available, anywhere, I repeat, anywhere. If there was, then, that seller would be fantastically wealthy, because millions of people would by that machine, no matter how small or large, or expensive, it would be.

K
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K

Google Kohei Minato magnetic motor…. Tell me wat u think buddy

Gene
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Gene

Can you hook a cam to the shaft to move in and out instead of your hand?

Gene
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Gene

Could you fix a cam hooked to the shaft to make the magnet go in and out?

Corey Byron Fish
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Corey Byron Fish

Nobody is saying magnets are creating energy? All they are suggesting is that magnetic attraction and repulsion, in the right configuration, could be used to drive a flywheel which has a pulley to a generator which THEN creates the electricity. It’s just a matter of finding a way to get the wheel to continue after one turn. This guy demonstrated by hand-holding the “stator” and moving it in and out causes the cycle to reset. Then he developed an automation for that mechanic — a cam which pushes the stator slightly in-out at the crucial point, which starts a new… Read more »

willie hubbard
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willie hubbard

born 1962 have been working on this magnetic attraction and repulsion, at age 17 with no too little resources, the magnetic attraction and repulsion, would always cancel itself out and stop how was this worked out would love to know to further my research

Chris Stonehill
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Chris Stonehill

Hi Corry You may have received many answers to your suggestions? Firstly you can not generate energy out of nothing. If you can take out energy it is coming from somewhere. In order not to confuse things let stay with the magnetic motor. At first examination it looks like a miracle. When I was asked by an inventor about thirty years ago to test his combined motor/generator assembly I was stunned as I could not find a fault in it at first glance and it was not connected to a battery or mains. I made exact measurements of outgoing power… Read more »

Greg Hopkins
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Greg Hopkins

Excellent response Chris, Many thanks for your input.

ReanimateDrake
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ReanimateDrake

What if you make the center magnet\s an electrical magnet that powers itself with its own field?

Don
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“You use masses of power to magnetize the magnets…you then use means to demagnetize these magnets and that power is what is driving the motor”.

As I understand it, magnets are not “magnetized” but they are subjected to a strong magnetic field to align the magnetic particles, and the pinning material that surrounds the magnetic particles holds the alignment of magnetic particles in the magnet to “shine” outward. Therefore we can not put energy into a magnet to draw out. We can produce work using magnets which can be used to generate electrical power.

isaac
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isaac

hey man…I made one that works completely without frictional problems like most encounters… its actually more about arrangement of magnet and play on mass and magnetic strength, acquiring a patent is almost impossible in my world here… which makes me kerp much of my invention in secret, I might
die with this great invention if know salvation comes…(contact: [email protected])

Corey Byron Fish
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Corey Byron Fish

There are literally thousands of people out there in the world who have invented magnet devices which can rotate on their own power and thereby drive a generator without any help from external power sources. There are also people exploring plasma coil schemes which “induct” extra electrical current from the limitless potential we are swimming in. The use of these devices will be commonplace in 40 years — the need for a power “grid” and paying for energy will be obsolete. The truth is, the entire Universe is made of electricity and we have only to learn how to harness… Read more »

Johann Wegmann
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Johann Wegmann

Hi Corey, I do agree with your thoughts,Its dissapointing the human kind of people closing the eyes on coming events in technology, when ion Lithium to day is 1/3 of graphene range in Electric Cars,???Galileo was condemned to fireby church,Columbus died in poverty,Stirlings step by step is going on,free piston STRG,by Nasa is doing well.I am an old Master,FEA Professor,for 50 years,Electromechanics and some electronics are very familiar all my life, nobody said nothing when Siemens beated world record with a 260 kW acrobatic plane, electric AC 3PH Induction motor, nobody said nothing when Swiss engineers in Solar Impulse went… Read more »

Michael
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Ive found a way to make an engine run using electromagnetic energy i was told it couldnt be done but it only pushed me to try harder i do believe in unidentified flying objects and i believe its a magnetic drive from the circular motion in which we all create and where created from so thats my next project

ronald pawlaczyk
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ronald pawlaczyk

good luck ron p.

Chris
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Chris

Look on you tube for John Searl

Ben
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Ben

Watch-out for the black helicopters people!

Corey Byron Fish
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Corey Byron Fish

IKR

Eli Felton
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Eli Felton

Magnetism was and has been well known, for centuries, as a direct source of energy, independent of electrical generation or storage. Tesla did not see electricity as a requirement for creating motion or work, but as only one possible source of energy. A 17th century windmill creates work without electricity, and sunlight through a lens creates heat without electricity (unless one wants to create steam to turn a turbine or driveshaft and create electricity for storage in a battery.) Why isn’t there already a “magnetic car” using two opposing permanent magnets shaped like a brake shoe, directly and silently turning… Read more »

James Mead
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James Mead

Fucking build it and show us all how much smarter you are then. Or can’t you accomplish such a simple and straight-forward task?

Eli Felton
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Eli Felton

It takes you six months to answer my post and now you want to hurry me? That’s a rhetorical question, BTW.

Don
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Don

Good reply

Johann Wegmann
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Johann Wegmann

Hi Eli,This is a subject of language,Engineering conversation relies on Physics and Mathematics,both at highest levels, skeptics are usually ignorants, as an example to me, AIRBUS won the Aviation competition respect to USA, just with the development of advanced computers able to run NAVIER STOKES equations, eliminating expensive investments in wind tunnels of 25000 HP as in USA.The world power in Mathematics and Physics is France,thanks to Napoleon envision to create Universities and hand abilities tecniques,he said Praxis and Theory must go together.I studied proudly in a daughter University of first French college, to day 185 years old,I never saw… Read more »

Eli Felton
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Eli Felton

two questions:

1. How can it be argued that perpetual motion does not exist, considering the perpetual spinning of the earth, and orbit around the sun?

2. If a permanent magnetic motor will only spin for 10 years, or 1 year, or 1 week for that matter, isn’t that enough to keep working on the concept? Isn’t “perpetuality” besides the point?

Kip Ingram
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Kip Ingram

Being able to optimize something to spin a long time isn’t the point. Put it in a vacuum to eliminate air drag and it will spin longer. Give it more mass so it has more rotary inertia and it will spin longer. (Those two, by the way, explain why the planets keep spinning). Lubricate your bearings so they have less loss and it will spin longer. The point, though, is that all of those things cause longer spin by *reducing the amount of energy removed*. If you want to *use* this thing for something you will need to extract energy… Read more »

Eli Felton
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Eli Felton

Its a simple question. Quite self explanatory. My point is this….It may be easier to justify magnetic engine research by pointing out the fallacy of the prohibition of perpetual motion claims by the PTO then in arguing about net energy loss or zero point energy. Permanent is long enough, as in permanent magnet. Thats long enough . I get that. So its asymptotic to infinity but not infinite. So whats the best source of permanent but not infinite magnets to build my almost perpetual magnetic engine?

Kip Ingram
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Kip Ingram

Eli, permanent magnets do not deliver energy in this way. Magnets, like all physical objects, have potential energy in their structure, but you can’t extract that energy via magnetic effects. The permanent magnet does not “change as you withdraw energy from it.” We don’t have machines that “create energy.” We have machines that convert energy from one form to another. Real motors take electrical power as input and deliver mechanical power as output. This device has no energy input (well, clearly it DOES, since it spins, but it’s a power input that’s being hidden from viewers of the video). The… Read more »

Eli Felton
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Eli Felton

Beware of paralysis by analysis. The inability to explain something is logically irrelevent to its existence or non-existence. And don’t put your hand between two 100 year old magnets from some old vaudville era woofers. Your hand will be surprised how much energy they still expand after a century. You can’t imagine those suckers turning a drive shaft instead?

Kip Ingram
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Kip Ingram

It’s not paralysis – the analysis consists of applying conservation of energy, and it’s finished.. ūüôā And yes, obviously magnets will pull themselves together, and that is mechanical work. But to have a CYCLIC motion also requires that you separate them again, and you will DO just as much work separating them as they did coming together.

I’m done trying to help you. Lead a horse to water…

Eli Felton
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Eli Felton

If i want someone to tell me i cant do something, i can always hire a lawyer. ;

Eli Felton
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Eli Felton

Besides , you never addressed my original question. Doesnt the orbit of the earth violate the rule against perpetual motion?

Alex jeff
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Alex jeff

The earth is slowly falling in to the sun. If something that obvious violated a fundamental law of physics then we would re-wright the law. That is the point of science to test assumptions.

Eli Felton
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Eli Felton

I dont care whether it creates or destroys energy. You can measure that if and when i construct a working prototype. After all “if it works good and tests bad, youve tested the wrong thing.”

Bob
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Bob

Can you please simplify, I don’t understand. Couldn’t you push the magnet (in the video) to start it and use the whole setup as a windmill but there is no wind and instead the magnets are powering it? surely over time you would gain more energy than you spent.

Guy Noone
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Guy Noone

You may gain more energy than YOU spent, but the energy gain is coming from the magnetic field, which means the net energy gain of the entire system is still zero, as mandated by conservation of energy.

Junior, Chandler.
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Junior, Chandler.

At one point in the past, man thought the earth was flat, man thought flight was impossible, and Ext Ext. Man does the impossible all the time if you need proof, Watch a birth, watch a plane fly, watch a rover explore Mars. how many times did they say the atom couldn’t be split, if man gave up, every time some one said it cant be done, we would still live in caves, and getting fire from lightning strikes.

Fodagus
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Fodagus

The converse of this is, of course, that the definition of insanity is trying to same over and over and expecting different results. There is no harm in experimentation and I often sigh internally at how some skeptics treat people so poorly, fueled by righteous indignation. That being said, there is a difference between the great achievements of you cite and simply trying over and over and over. There are theories that are involved and refined, new laws of physics are refined or postulated or invented. Trying to squeeze energy out of a spinning wheel using magnets is not one… Read more »

Matthew Spencer
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Matthew Spencer

Perpetual indicates infinite. Even if you could argue perpetual motion is possible (which it is) it’s not possible within earths atmosphere. Heard of a little thing called friction?

kpevt12 .
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kpevt12 .

Looking at the design and how fast magnetic repulsion strength dissipates compared to distance, I question if the top magnet can generate enough repulsive force to completely turn the wheel. A 1/2″ diameter x 1/8 thick neodymium magnet loses almost a 1/3 of its power in an 1/8″ of distance. It loses 75% of the force at a 1/4″. I am not saying this design will not work. I am questioning the present configuration based on magnetic attraction/repulsion and distance.

Alexander DeRuiter
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Alexander DeRuiter

It seems to me that if the magnets on the wheel are facing north and the other magnet is facing south torwatrd the north facing magnets this would work

joe charlie
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joe charlie

you are so full of crap……………lol………….i can smell you way over here!!!

Manley Beasley
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Manley Beasley

An uncalculatable number of astronomical bodies are floating in space, being pushed and pulled on the same path, rotating in the same direction without ceasing for billions of years at a time. However, we have a hard time beliving that the same electromagnetic and gravitational forces can spin a small wooden wheel? Humans have a long way to go; it’s about time we open up our minds a bit. “That’s impossible!” Is it really? Look around you.

Some of these videos may well be faked experiments, but to say this is impossible? Naivete.

Adam
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Adam

well…. astronomical bodies are spinning and moving slower and slower each second. Sun is getting colder. And big bang, which caused all those movement, was a reeeeeeeeeally strong bang. I’m not saying it’s impossible, but prove me wrong please, I’d like a perpetual motion device.
p.s. im a pro creationist evolution theories fusion

Gerald Rowley
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Gerald Rowley

It does serve a purpose, it stimulates the mind of those who think outside the box!!

Alvin Cunningham
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Alvin Cunningham

Lol, guess all of you by now have seen this exposed on YouTube. This model DOES NOT work. However, I done some research and experiments myself with a slightly different magnet. Magnet’s work best when made to push each other, NOT pull. I’m sure some of you are familiar with speaker magnet’s. They have a doughnut shape. Their north and south very different in many ways. Depending on how you lay them when flat they will push or pull each other. If you lay them in the pull position on a disc and spin them they WILL stop. However, if… Read more »

Gary Bate
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Gary Bate

Àlvin could you supply a schematic for your device? I would like to try and replicate it. Do you think that this concept would work if the magnets were magnetically suspended to minimize friction? Thanks, Gary

BuddySteve
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BuddySteve

It takes just as much force to bring a magnet close to the same pole as another magnet as what you get when you allow it to push away. 1 + (-1) = 0, it never will equal +1. Just not possible!

Landon Blackledge
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Landon Blackledge

People I’m sorry. I want to believe that machines like this exist but they just can’t. The sooner people realize this and start devoting their curiosity to furthering real alternate forms such as wind and solar the faster our technology will progress. Don’t take my word for it though, I was obsessed with believing this type of machine would work and wouldn’t believe skeptics at all for a great deal of my life. In fact the word I would use to describe my feelings towards them would be hatred until I started taking physics classes in college, learned a little… Read more »

Chris Alun Lloyd
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Chris Alun Lloyd

lol its so simple its mind boggling I completely agree Landen^^^.To everyone else: IT DOES NOT WORK. The friction produced by the arm hitting both movable magnets would slowly decrease the amount of force given by the first spin. Gauss principle is very interesting but does not provide perpetual motion. Familiarize yourself with it and it may make more sense. Also there is no engine that runs on “anything” in Russia and there is no such thing as e+ cold fusion(yet) and yes we have landed on the moon. Also no you do not need that aluminum foil hat. I… Read more »

Ben
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Ben

Again why do I waste the ATP in my fingers on this…

LOL! You really think ATP is the source of energy?

What do you think of “high-energy phosphate bonds”?

louie nilsson
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louie nilsson

Is there a way to change the change the attraction of a magnet. Sorry in advance if this is a dumb question, im a 9th grader in high school

Landon Blackledge
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Landon Blackledge

Louie, no question is a dumb question. The universe has a comical way of keeping things in check. Their are certain laws that many scientists claim to understand but at the end of the day we just have to accept that they are what they are (although I’m not one to believe that these laws aren’t meant to be broken; every now and then someone comes along and changes the way we look at things and if you pursue a career in the sciences you could become one of these people) anyways as far as your question I will answer… Read more »

Ivan
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Ivan

So I have a ridiculous sounding question but isn’t it true that our current laws of physics has a chance of being wrong? Like we still haven’t found that one time that it was false yet?

Please don’t make fun of me i’m a junior high student that hasn’t learned much about physics yet.

SvenTheBold
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SvenTheBold

As Landon alluded to, it depends what you mean by “magnet”. I’ll start at the beginning. Most magnets we see are made up of lots of tinier magnetic regions; and the smallest of these magnetic regions is that of a single atom. Magnetism comes from moving electric fields; that’s why we can create electromagnets by passing electricity through a wire at very high speeds. In atoms, magnetism comes from the way electrons naturally spin around the nucleus of an atom, and the magnetic-ness of any particular molecule or metal or substance is going to be affected by all sorts of… Read more »

bret bowlby
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bret bowlby

“they will all slightly realign themselves with the other magnetic field,
temporarily turning themselves into a magnet; but once you take the
iron out of the magnetic field”

So what exactly is it about moving the field away that causes them to revert? Would this represent that the actual field wasn’t strong enough to “physically” align the atomic polarity and instead created an effect like stretching a spring?

Mx9skyz
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Mx9skyz

what if you used two still magnets? with ONLY the positive poles facing the centre magnet? that way the positive force would be greater than that of the negative force (because the ratio would be 3:1)

Landon Blackledge
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Landon Blackledge

Don’t try to convince me; convince yourself. If you’re really interested in seeing if your idea will work try making a small prototype.

bret bowlby
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bret bowlby

EXACTLY! Build it, test it and conclude what the principles behind it are or are not. The build above uses the max point to force the repelling magnet up, gravity however does the work of returning the magnet back to the original position. I’m not sure why everyone keeps thinking that this would be “Free” energy. It’s clear that there are external and internal forces working here although they may not be fully understood. The classical model of physic uses Einsteins theory of relativity. Which I don’t believe is fully correct but does apply to several areas of science studies.… Read more »

Austin
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Austin

TLDR Version: I gave up on my vision, so you should too.

SvenTheBold
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SvenTheBold

If you look at the little spinning-magnet toy from the end of the video, it seems to work on the same principle as a metal ball resting on two steel rod tracks where the tracks aren’t quite parallel but wider on one end. Gravity is uniformly directing the ball down, and so because of the ball’s shape, it moves towards the wider end of the tracks where it can dangle down more than it can at the skinny end. Everything I’ve ever learned about magnets (in actual physics courses, mind) tells me that the way they’ve arranged their magnets in… Read more »

Kip Ingram
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Kip Ingram

It’s not possible, because it violates conservation of energy. That’s enough to rule it out right there.

Corey Byron Fish
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Corey Byron Fish

World was flat. Wrong. Sun, planets and stars rotated around earth. Wrong. Pyramids were built 3500 years ago. Wrong. Conservation of energy law. Wrong. We can only invent when we perceive the more subtle causes/effects. Perception is advancing/evolving. Allow new ideas to replace old ideas. They will anyway, sooner or later :D.

Kip Ingram
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Kip Ingram

Nice words, but you’re dreaming. Science gains knowledge, but doesn’t go backwards. The things you mention weren’t scientific theories – they were guesses and often based on what people “wanted to believe” for religious reasons and so on. We’re not going to discover suddenly that the world is flat after all. Obviously we’d all like to believe we can cheat the conservation laws – it would make for a nice world. When you’ve built one of these *yourself* talk to me again. And I still won’t believe you unless you run it in my presence and let me kick its… Read more »

bret bowlby
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bret bowlby

Shame on you. Using Tesla’s picture and dismissing this all as a trickery is wrong. Tesla was a man of science and even went as far to state that actual testing and scientific hands on research is the best method to obtain true results. Your post it’s self it’s hypocritical in the fact that you say to “stop verbalizing your assumptions.” Yet above you’ve clearly inserted your assumptions. You really need to change your picture to Edison and leave Tesla out of your life. Clearly out of respect for Tesla. Congrats you took a Physic’s class in college. Those classes… Read more »

Adrian Mihai Radian
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Adrian Mihai Radian

You speak rubbish stuff..and have NOIDEA abot what opinion Tesla had. Study a little his views before you speak

rattboo
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rattboo

” I want to believe that machines like this exist but they just can’t.” They do exist. Dry cell batteries. You don’t “charge” them. They are made of zinc, carbon, and ammonium chloride, and manganese dioxide and they “produce” electricity until the energy used to make them runs out. They produce electricity because the chemicals contain potential energy. The potential energy becomes kinetic energy when the circuit is completed. This machine is an energy storage device. The magnets contain potential energy. It won’t run forever, but stores the energy that was used to start it. It runs because of gravity,… Read more »

Kip Ingram
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Kip Ingram

Well, dry cells do store energy as chemical potential energy. But that energy is converted to electrical energy on connection, not kinetic. To get kinetic energy you need a further step (a motor, a solenoid, whatever). Magnets do not release energy in this way – you don’t “deplete” a permanent magnetic (though you can destroy its magnetism, for instance by heating to the Curie temperature). Explain the sun? A cloud of gas in space pulled itself into a tighter and tighter space due to gravity. Eventually the pressure and temperature of compression reached a level that would support nuclear fusion.… Read more »

Adrian Mihai Radian
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Adrian Mihai Radian

I have conducted the experiment and it WORKS. You tell me that a steam-engine don;t work because you have no idea about the VALVE-concept.. pff…

1arritechno
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1arritechno

Landon: Consider that most Scientists prior to WWII did Not believe Nuclear Energy could ever be harnessed or controlled ; even “Albert Einstein” was one of those ignorant disbelievers.!! It took the Manhattan Project to convert their arrogance & the atomic bomb to expose their level of ignorance ; so people not accepting what is possible today, are just as likely to be proved wrong , in the fullness of time. …………………….. Advancing Technology provides the possibility for more inventions & Magnets continue to improve in ways that makes breakthrough innovations possible. I respect anyone making an honest attempt at… Read more »

Kip Ingram
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Kip Ingram

There’s a key difference: there is actually is energy to be had in nuclear reactions. To whatever extent those physicists you mentioned stated that we’d never be able to harness nuclear energy, they were stating opinion as to feasibility, not claiming that the energy wasn’t there.

In this case the energy simply isn’t there. Wasting one’s time on ideas like this are just that: wasting one’s time.

Dorfdad
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Dorfdad

Education even in failed experimentation isn’t a waste of time. In fact it can drive someone to be more creative, Innovative, and or come up with an answer no one else has thought of to fix the issue.

Nishaanth Matt
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Nishaanth Matt

can i please know who done this project

Alex Crayne
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Alex Crayne

you can create dielectrics that will focus one field back into the magnet thus giving the effect of mono-polar magnetics.

BRUCERUBIN
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BRUCERUBIN

I do not think you need to have a single pole magnet but a momentary blockage of a magnetic field. At first I agreed with your logic because I was taught in physics you cannot block a magentic field and that has turned out to be false. There has been a material called mu metal around for a while that will disperse a magentic field and I think using mu metal a clever engineer could come up with a toy such as this however, powering a generator and producing a decent amount of force would be a significant intellectual obstacle.… Read more »

dennis ryan
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dennis ryan

huh………… maybe you should google the lockridge device ! & get your head out of the sand…………………sheeple………Lol………..

Joe
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Joe

Landon you are correct in the basics of this but unfortunately you didnt think out of the box. for one you structure the magnets in the wheel in such a way that you wont use the attraction at all. just the push. also the correct angles are very important. I know this because I did it myself and it only took me just over an hour to figure it out. Im still shocked as to how easy it is and yet some many educated people on the internet say its nots possible. Im really shocked. maybe you need to put… Read more »

Tsu Nami
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Tsu Nami

If friction is an issue why not make the main wheel levitate magnetically so there’s no friction? And I don’t see any evidence that it’s a hoax, the basic idea seems to me to make sense…

Kip Ingram
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Kip Ingram

Tsu, that’s the right line of thinking if your goal is to have a wheel that spins for a long time. Remove as many sources of loss as you can. Run it in a vacuum to get rid of air drag. When you mention magnetic levitation you’re really saying “use magnetic bearings to reduce bearing loss.” That’s a perfectly valid idea, though even magnetic bearings would not be perfect; you’d just lower the losses, not eliminate them. That said, the claims around this thing are not that you can make something spin forever. The claims are that you can make… Read more »

Jeff Hogancamp
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Jeff Hogancamp

If i could make a generator that stopped after a day of running and i had to go crank it up to start again. This to me is as perpetual as we need. Of course anything over time is going to wear down and need new parts. How long does something need to run to be called perpetual motion. Perpetual motion is all around us as electrons rotate around the Nucleus of an atom.

Kip Ingram
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Kip Ingram

Yes, and the planets also rotate and revolve around the sun “perpetually enough.” The “no perpetual motion” rule is really not stated well – in theory perpetual motion IS possible – if you can eliminate all sources of energy loss in the system so that its energy level says constant then it will go forever. Our inability to design such that will work outside of a laboratory environment is more of an engineering limitation than a scientific prohibition. But a device like that would just be a play toy – a novelty you could put on your desk and enjoy… Read more »

Kip Ingram
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Kip Ingram

The friction isn’t the issue; devices that produce energy can still work even with friction (like, your car for example). Pushing the friction from “small” to “very very very small / zero” would only gain you a small bit of energy. The issue is that you can’t extract energy at all from the system without stopping it, because there’s no new energy coming in from anywhere. Permanent magnets used in this way will not deliver steady state net energy to a system – the implication in the video that they do is fraudulent. If you really have a viable source… Read more »

SeeRexx
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SeeRexx

To all the narrow minded, this is not perpetual motion, energy is continuously repleted in the magnet from the magnetic field of the Earth. It will last about 400 years for the magnets to wear off. Just tell me why the magnets on your fridge do not fall off? There is much energy required to stick on the metal, where does it come from? Magnetic energy is amazing! This motor is speed limited by the gravity driven upper magnet. On a bigger design, with lets say 4 or 8 generators in parallel, with a little electric gate with feedback to… Read more »

Chris Alun Lloyd
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Chris Alun Lloyd

Oh my….. Energy is all around us you just have to see it through the right lens. I think those of us in need of power and paying for it are the ones blaming the “big energy companies”. I have my home built batteries and solar array. I skimped and bought a windmill. There are solutions you just need to open your eyes. I do not pay one cent for my power ūüôā

lakawak
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lakawak

You REALLY don’t see how there could be any trick involved? In what is the most well understood hoaxes around? A simple air compressor off camera blowing the wheel to make it turn. Which is why they NEVER allow you to hear the sound.

er
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er

Of course this is false. Perpetual machines are impossible in practice due to friction.

jargshon
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jargshon

Hey I was wondering what that thing is with metal loop circles around it with a ball or something in the middle of it there may not be a ball in it but I know it’s a model and it sets up and spins

Todd
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Todd

This is fake, what you dont see is the compressed air blowing on it to spin it. you can clearly see it slow down right before the video ends.

DarinSelby
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DarinSelby

valveman00 gemmakermz Do you want to get something for nothing?  Then tap into that big ole fireball in the sky and artificial photosynthesis, storing the hydrogen gas.

QKodiak
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QKodiak

Why waste 70% of the energy just to store it in a novel way (hydrogen)? Hydrogen is not an economically viable or efficient way to store energy. Also, compressed hydrogen is extremely dangerous. HFC vehicles have a large powertrain taking up much space inside a vehicle reducing practicality, their performance is abysmal, their safety is dubious, and their efficiency is no better than a gas-powered vehicle’s.

Solar? Yes. Hydrogen? Absolutely not.

RicepullernahiPartynahi
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RicepullernahiPartynahi

http://www.ricepullers.in/FANSI09425636422 + 09981011455rice puller nahi hota he party ki ma ki chootÔĽŅ

veto64
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i would like to buy a small moter like this for fun.
is there anywhere a site where i can buy those small devices.
i don’t have the time to do the handicrafts by myself.
thanks for link

AdrianDwerryhouse
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AdrianDwerryhouse

so rather then the two i’ll call them kick magnets top and bottom would having more, ie: either side, increase the speed or help with smoother spin.

lakawak
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lakawak

Nope. There is no configuration, strength, or amount of magnets that would make this spin even ONE full turn.

pablo
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pablo

Would like to add some info here if it helps. ¬†All of the magnets in that device operate in the repulsion mode. ¬†The top magnet is polarized at its ends and repels the “armature” magnets. ¬†The repulsion is strongest for the most widely spaced spaced armature magnets and weakest for the narrowest spacing. ¬†If the top magnet were not raised, the armature would abruptly stop rotating at the transition from narrowest to widest spacing. ¬†However, when top magnet is moved upward by the cam at the transition point, it is also repelled in the upward direction by the widely-spaced magnets.… Read more »

lakawak
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lakawak

IT doesn’t matter. The amount of energy required to life the arm is more than you get out. Which is why…without compressed air blowing on it…this won’t spin even one time.

1971xz
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1971xz

THE PLAN:http://linoavac.no.sapo.pt/exafilar.jpg
detail equivalente PLAN: http://linoavac.no.sapo.pt/electrorepulsion2.jpg

educational site (plasma, gravity, vortex, magnet motors, …)
http://linoavac.no.sapo.pt/
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vídeo explain principle OF PLANS :https://www.youtube.com/embed/9FsFNbx0AWE
it is kick magnet by coil in the jump

1971xz
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1971xz

THE PLAN:http://linoavac.no.sapo.pt/exafilar.jpg

educational site and plans
learn for all
http://linoavac.no.sapo.pt/
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vídeo explain principle :https://www.youtube.com/embed/9FsFNbx0AWE
it is kick magnet by coil in the jump

jamiepusceddu
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jamiepusceddu

ahahahahahah! I’ve just seen the oak on google. It was like I suspected. No Nobel price this time but a very good oak though!

jamiepusceddu
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jamiepusceddu

I read more comments and someone argued that the motion is produced by the white weight being dropped down after having been lifted by an external force (the experimenter’s hand). That makes sense but you have to account for frictions there too so the device should stop at some point and it doesn’t in any reasonable time in the video so I believe there is a trick. Some external hidden power sources like a compressor or airflow. But it’s very well disguised I must admit. By all accounts if such a device works the author should be applying for a… Read more »

Kip Ingram
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Kip Ingram

Jamie, you’re right on target. Something is being hidden; this is a falsified video. If anything like this worked our world would be filled with gadgets based on the principle.

jamiepusceddu
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jamiepusceddu

I’m thinking: wouldn’t be possible that the video is genuine but as soon as you start to extract some power from the device you stop it so it doesn’t run any longer? I’m not versed in Physics so don’t make fun of me. I know this is against the 2 principle of Thermodynamic

lakawak
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lakawak

No..it is not possible at all. Perpetual motion is not possible. Therefore, any device claiming to be perpetual motion is not genuine.

Kip Ingram
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Kip Ingram

Agreed. It may turn out that cold fusion does, in fact, work, and it may even turn out that there’s a way to capitalize on zero point energy (though I doubt both, especially the latter). But even if we do figure it out, we will be getting the energy from a well-defined origin.

I used to work at a university research facility that dealt with electric / magnetic energy conversion. We got lots and lots of… “interesting” letters.

Kip Ingram
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Kip Ingram

You could design a system such that the “pinned” location is a state of high potential energy (think of pinning a ball near the top of a “valley”). Then when you pull the pin the system will fall toward its lower potential configuration. It might overshoot that position, climb the potential gradient in the other direction until it stopped, and then do the same thing in reverse. Back and forth. With rotary motion that could be made to work so that you had a continuous motion in one direction. But all the time there would be friction losses, so you’d… Read more »

1971xz
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1971xz
1971xz
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1971xz

educational site and plans
learn for all
http://linoavac.no.sapo.pt/
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valveman00
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valveman00

gemmakermz  Gravity is magnetic?  Where did you get that idea?

gemmakermz
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gemmakermz

for those whom say not posible to make a magnetic motor– your living on one. our solar syster is run/controlled by magnetic forces. the earth itself is a magnetic motor, its been running for a VERY long time taking 24hrs to revolve and 365 days for the travel around the sun. dont forget gravity is also magnetic in a different form. so mag motor already exists, now put your brains to work and make one that will put the oil barons out of buisnes.

lakawak
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lakawak

This is an INSANELY ignorant take on the universe.

Luke Day
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Luke Day

Gravity is not magnetism, sorry but you are very wrong here, based on current scientific knowledge. Newton’s Law of universal gravitation states that bodies of matter attract other bodies of matter, known as gravity (not magnetism). However this was later trumped by Einstein’s Theory of General Relativity, which states that matter distorts space-time itself and therefore smaller bodies of matter, such as our Earth compared with our Sun, are actually falling straight into the space-time distortion (bending of space) caused by the body of matter.

1971xz
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1971xz

educational site and plans
learn for all
http://linoavac.no.sapo.pt
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video :https://www.youtube.com/embed/9FsFNbx0AWE
it is kick magnet by coil in the jump

LiveLikeNo1
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LiveLikeNo1

I was imagining how you could advance the timing of the upper magnet in order to create much more momentum. This seems like a reality to me.

botwire
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botwire

Your not creating energy, it’s is changing forms. Magnetic energy to mechanical energy. As long as the momentum has enough energy to lift the bar magnet to complete the cycle it would work. If lifting the bar magnet uses up all the stored momentum energy, it will not work.

lakawak
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lakawak

There is no such thing as “magnetic energy.” Know why? Because magnets are not batteries. They don’t store energy. They have magnetic fields…which is a FORCE. IT is not energy. Since they don’t have energy, there is no energy you can extract from them. If there was, there would be a mathematical formula to determine how much energy you could get out of it. But there isn’t a formula like that.

What is crazy is that this is a JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL concept. And if you don’t even understand that level of science, then why are you commenting on this?

dwkthedogbreaths
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dwkthedogbreaths

Isn’t there a film of a guy who has a larger magnetic engine driving his car. 90 per cent of the energy drives the wheels and lights etc and the extra one p.c goes to keep the engine running. I’ve seen film of his car driving across America and wold be very sad if it was a hoax. He will send details of how to build one if his engines to anyone who cares t write to him.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Magnet_Motors

lakawak
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lakawak

Then you should be very sad. Because it is a hoax.

Chris
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Chris

In the description on the Youtube page for that video, the uploader added the following, explaining it to be a hoax:

“ACTUALIZACI√ďN (20/03/2013) En las fotos se observa que tiene un compresor de aire:
https://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=http%3A%2F%2Fgoo.gl%2Fk5Wja&session_token=j3q63ZFR30jDY6CgiZhhxH1iO5F8MTM4ODYzNjUwOEAxMzg4NTUwMTA4
Gracias por los comentarios.
El aparato tiene un compresor de aire encima, dando la ayuda necesaria para que gire.
It has an air compressor above it.”
Google Translate:
“UPDATE (20/03/2013) In the photos is seen to have an air compressor:
http://goo.gl/k5Wja
Thanks for the feedback.
The apparatus has an air compressor on top, giving the necessary help to rotate.
It has an air compressor above it.”

LoneWolffe
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scarednick¬†true, adding energy to the system, lifting the magnet by hand, points out exactly why this won’t work.

scarednick
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scarednick

Well from where I (sit) there are “linear motors” and “linear motors”. Which ones do you reckon work?

scarednick
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scarednick

REALLY? Indefinitely? 5 seconds? Sorry old thing this video has been around far longer than Feb 2013 and has been debunked by millions (although grasped at by …sadly….many more). It is a hodge-podge (as are sthe majority of these either fraud or crackpot claims) of “stuff that does work”..that illustrates nothing, “stuff that LOOKS as if it works” (which may or may not support the final claims) and….utter garbage, which IS used to support the final claims. You are obviously looking for that5 pot of gold and it MAY be found, but I doubt that ib these days it will… Read more »

scarednick
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scarednick

You guys are talking about two different things. Yves is talking about manually lifting and lowering the magnet, which _arguably_ makes that machine work, I want to see a real demo and try for myself….Lone, you are talking about the cam-operated one. It does not work and is a fake. And it IS doing work…anything that moves requires energy, so IF that machine actually kept going, WITHOUT outside energy applied, it would be creating energy. Bujt we see a few seconds of video (hardly perpetual) of a machine that has quite erratic speeds, while supposedly under the influence of a… Read more »

scarednick
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scarednick

But surely the “motor” can run backwards if you use repulsion intsead of attraction. But yes I agree that the last one is a fake, because (apart from the obvious)¬† I have DLd this video and looked at it frame by frame, confirming what seems to happen: the rotor changes speed erratically throughout….and not just over each revolution.